Watching the Sopranos for the 7th Time

[jooo83]

Is that the Lithgow season? Lithgow automatically makes anything better.

The Jimmy Smits season was absolute dogshit, and when I saw the downhill. I also think him going lumberjack was a cop out.

Yup, the Lithgow season.

 

[jooo83]

I figured that's what happened, but until recently Chase never confirmed it. It was his show he could have claimed any ending he wanted to.

Keeping in mind there are people reading this thread that haven't seen the ending yet.

Spoiler

There were people that had doubt's until now, probably wishful thinking, just wanted the family to live happily ever after, that was never going to happen.

Chase said his original plan for Tony's death was to show him going to a meeting with Johnny Sack and that's the last anyone ever sees of Tony. That could also have been ambiguous, whacked or flipped? Of course Tony would never flip, so yeah, whacked it is.

I disagree that he confirmed what happened. He was referring to a scene that was scrapped. There were most likely many plot ideas for the final scene/episode.

 

[jooo83]

Sopranos' prequel news:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...-saints-of-newark-david-chase-interview-vgtrn

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/sopranos-movie-star-teases-upcoming-prequel-1203104287/

 

[number51]

I disagree that he confirmed what happened. He was referring to a scene that was scrapped. There were most likely many plot ideas for the final scene/episode.

Nope.

Spoiler

Chase said the plan was always to kill Tony, the method changed, the outcome never did.

"Yes, I think I had that death scene around two years before the end," Chase replies.

That is Chase confirming Tony died for the first time, he refers to it as a death scene, not a lot of room for interpretation there.

"You realize, of course, that you just referred to that as a death scene." And apparently Chase isn't too happy to have accidentally said that, with the follow-up response being a long pause before Chase says: "F**k you guys."

Chase messed up, but 90% or roughly halve of the fans already knew that, so much foreshadowing, hard to miss.

It's in this article I linked earlier today.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a25843972/the-sopranos-creator-david-chase-confirms-tony-soprano-death/

 

[KittiesKorner]

Nope.

Spoiler

Chase said the plan was always to kill Tony, the method changed, the outcome never did.

"Yes, I think I had that death scene around two years before the end," Chase replies.

That is Chase confirming Tony died for the first time, he refers to it as a death scene, not a lot of room for interpretation there.

"You realize, of course, that you just referred to that as a death scene." And apparently Chase isn't too happy to have accidentally said that, with the follow-up response being a long pause before Chase says: "F**k you guys."

Chase messed up, but 90% or roughly halve of the fans already knew that, so much foreshadowing, hard to miss.

It's in this article I linked earlier today.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a25843972/the-sopranos-creator-david-chase-confirms-tony-soprano-death/

yeah, the

Spoiler

'**** you guys'

said it all, heh. esp considering that sepinwall has been obsessed with the sopranos for years and considers this 'proof'. Not that it matters either way, but...

Not to go off-topic in my own thread, I just hope that the prequel doesn't underwhelm. David Chase cut his teeth writing Rockford Files (and Northern Exposure) episodes. His last feature, 'Not Fade Away', wasn't great. I just hope this prequel brings back some of the magic.

 

[number51]

yeah, the

Spoiler

'**** you guys'

said it all, heh. esp considering that sepinwall has been obsessed with the sopranos for years and considers this 'proof'. Not that it matters either way, but...

Not to go off-topic in my own thread, I just hope that the prequel doesn't underwhelm. David Chase cut his teeth writing Rockford Files (and Northern Exposure) episodes. His last feature, 'Not Fade Away', wasn't great. I just hope this prequel brings back some of the magic.

I already have unrealistic expectations, I gotta manage that shit or I'm in for a some disappointment. The idea of Dickie Moltisani, Christopher's dad, mentoring Tony sounds outstanding. I wonder if we see Tony becoming a sociopath like Jimmy becoming Saul in BCS.

 

[KittiesKorner]

I already have unrealistic expectations, I gotta manage that shit or I'm in for a some disappointment. The idea of Dickie Moltisani, Christopher's dad, mentoring Tony sounds outstanding. I wonder if we see Tony becoming a sociopath like Jimmy becoming Saul in BCS.

I still have to watch Better Call Saul past the pilot (will enforce watching it in the home on your rec), but I just think Chase might be better writing episodes than features. And, obviously, that is not to take away from his accomplishment. World-building for 6 seasons vs 90 minutes, I mean, come on. He just always says in interviews he wishes he could write a feature. But 'Not Fade Away' was pretty bad.

Edit: he might be better telling a story over seasons rather than in 90 minutes, despite the usual and reasonable groans about when shit dragged along.

 

[number51]

I still have to watch Better Call Saul past the pilot (will enforce watching it in the home on your rec), but I just think Chase might be better writing episodes than features. And, obviously, that is not to take away from his accomplishment. World-building for 6 seasons vs 90 minutes, I mean, come on. He just always says in interviews he wishes he could write a feature. But 'Not Fade Away' was pretty bad.

Edit: he might be better telling a story over seasons rather than in 90 minutes, despite the usual and reasonable groans about when shit dragged along.

100%^^^^^^^^^^^^

When your watching The Sopranos and it is just another mundane morning breakfast and then:

The FBI arrives with warrants.
Tony passes out looking at gabbagool.
Tony's Russian girlfriend calls.
Janice has suggestions on parenting.
Tony explaines to Carm that Ritchie is "gone".
Furio Giunta is just waiting for coffee, nothing to see here.

Or what happens most of the time, nothing. Hard to do all that in 90 minutes.

 

[KittiesKorner]

100%^^^^^^^^^^^^

When your watching The Sopranos and it is just another mundane morning breakfast and then:

The FBI arrives with warrants.
Tony passes out looking at gabbagool.
Tony's Russian girlfriend calls.
Janice has suggestions on parenting.
Tony explaines to Carm that Ritchie is "gone".
Furio Giunta is just waiting for coffee, nothing to see here.

Or what happens most of the time, nothing. Hard to do all that in 90 minutes.

Fair point. I enjoyed that shit a lot more on rewatch #4


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[Gustavus Adolphus]

I'm surprised they're not letting him do a mini-series, instead of a 90 minute feature.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I started watching for the first time yesterday. It's free on Comcast On Demabd due to the 20th anniversary thing.

I'm 3 episodes in n and enjoying it so far. Kind of slow to start.

 

[airtime143]

I started watching for the first time yesterday. It's free on Comcast On Demabd due to the 20th anniversary thing.

I'm 3 episodes in n and enjoying it so far. Kind of slow to start.

I thought it was a touch slow to start as well- first watched a couple weeks ago.
Got a hell of a lot more interesting when I began getting invested in the characters and the story lines developed.

Glad I waited till now to watch it- with the crap ton of story lines, you get a little bit each episode and then have to wait. since they were already out, it helped the impatience... get left with a cliffhanger on a story line and watch 2 more episodes till it circles back to that. 2 hours instead of 2 weeks.


All in all I liked it a lot more than I expected to. I have some gripes about things towards the end as far as closing story lines, but overall a damn fine show.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I thought it was a touch slow to start as well- first watched a couple weeks ago.
Got a hell of a lot more interesting when I began getting invested in the characters and the story lines developed.

Glad I waited till now to watch it- with the crap ton of story lines, you get a little bit each episode and then have to wait. since they were already out, it helped the impatience... get left with a cliffhanger on a story line and watch 2 more episodes till it circles back to that. 2 hours instead of 2 weeks.


All in all I liked it a lot more than I expected to. I have some gripes about things towards the end as far as closing story lines, but overall a damn fine show.

That's one thing that HBO dramas do exceedingly well. The character development is done amazingly well.

 

[Mitchapalooza]

Sopranos gets a prequel movie and Breaking Bad is getting a sequel movie. Hnnngggg. Can't wait for both.

I started watching for the first time yesterday. It's free on Comcast On Demabd due to the 20th anniversary thing.

I'm 3 episodes in n and enjoying it so far. Kind of slow to start.

I actually stopped about 8 episodes in the first season the first time I watched the show because it was slow and boring to me but my buddy hounded me to keep watching and it gets a lot better. First seasons in a lot of shows are rough.

 

[jooo83]

Nope.

Spoiler

Chase said the plan was always to kill Tony, the method changed, the outcome never did.

"Yes, I think I had that death scene around two years before the end," Chase replies.

That is Chase confirming Tony died for the first time, he refers to it as a death scene, not a lot of room for interpretation there.

"You realize, of course, that you just referred to that as a death scene." And apparently Chase isn't too happy to have accidentally said that, with the follow-up response being a long pause before Chase says: "F**k you guys."

Chase messed up, but 90% or roughly halve of the fans already knew that, so much foreshadowing, hard to miss.

It's in this article I linked earlier today.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a25843972/the-sopranos-creator-david-chase-confirms-tony-soprano-death/

Here's a quote form the article you posted:

Of course, that was only one plan for the final episode, and not even the one we ended up getting, so it's safe to say that it probably isn't the definitive answer The Sopranos fans were hoping for.

That's my position. He also never says it was "always" the plan to kill Tony. He says, "that death scene." You could very well be correct but we need to read the full conversation first to get the proper context.

 

[number51]

Here's a quote form the article you posted:

Of course, that was only one plan for the final episode, and not even the one we ended up getting, so it's safe to say that it probably isn't the definitive answer The Sopranos fans were hoping for.

That's my position. He also never says it was "always" the plan to kill Tony. He says, "that death scene." You could very well be correct but we need to read the full conversation first to get the proper context.

You are talking about the fate of the main character, there are people reading this thread that have not seen it. Spoiler tag that please.

Spoiler

When his response to messing up and referring to a death scene was '**** You Guys", I took that as Chase thought he messed up, tht's good enough for me.

I do see your point, it's not 100% definitive, IMO it's 99%, close enough for me. We can agree to disagree.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Fair point. I enjoyed that shit a lot more on rewatch #4


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Hard to remember, huh, Uncle Jun?

 

[KittiesKorner]

Hard to remember, huh, Uncle Jun?

Sparkles, you never had the makings of a varsity athlete

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Sparkles, you never had the makings of a varsity athlete

Yeah, I did. 'member? oh shit, of course you don't.

 

[KittiesKorner]

How many fuckin’ hours did I spend playing catch with you?