WCF - 6/4 Game 3: Kings (0) vs (2) Blackhawks 8:00PM NBCS

[Pez68]

I'm not a Kane hater, I just expect more from the Hawks' best players. Toews is not immune either. The problem I have with Kane is, he keeps trying the fancy dangles and trying to beat guys 1 on 1. He had such a successful season this year by making the smart, simple plays, and letting his talent do the work. He's not going hard wide at all anymore. He's not pushing the defense back and putting on the brakes and looking for the open guys. He's trying to be entirely too fancy, and not taking what the opposition is giving him. Sharp is the best player on that line, hands down.</p>

 

[Pez68]

By the way, I'd really like to see Sharp/Toews/Kane back together like Q did for the Detroit series. I thought Bickell/Handzus/Hossa was really good as well. Kane is off, Toews is off, and Sharp is playing like a madman. Get those guys going and great things will come.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

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<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">^^^^^^ Guess the question now is if Duncs gets a game or not. If he does it will be only a game and something tells me its going to happen even though I don't think it should. If he does get a game it certainly effects the team for game 4. </span></p>


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   For the 4 min double minor high sticking?</p>
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yah but the league sees it as a slash and a slash to any area of the head is a no no... even if its incidental like that one. The league stresses full control of your stick so I think they might fall onto that to give Keith a game. I don't like it and I like that Duncs apologized a number of times to Carter but this league wants to confuse us fans and players more and more. Cooke doesn't get the game he deserved but Keith will. Just sounds like the NHL these days.</p>


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Carter should have gotten 2 for his slash to go along with the double minor on keith but whatever. The league likes to punish the retaliation and not the cause.</p>


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I think the 4 mins was sufficient enough esp at that point in the game where the Kings could have really put it away had they scored on the 4 mins. Even if the shoe was on the other foot and that was Carter on Keith I think the 4 mins would have been enough. It certainly wasn't intentional and I have seen far worse slashes but this league...this league..so unpredictable.</p>

 

[Rex]

sure wish we had won tonight considering we will prob be without Keith and Hammer next game. </p>

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

As unpredictable as the NHL disciplinarians can be, I see no chance of Keith getting a game for that.</p>

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

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sure wish we had won tonight considering we will prob be without Keith and Hammer next game. </p>
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Hammers knee will be seeing a lot of ice between now and Thurs. Kings looked like a totally different team at home but can they keep the Hawks scoring down to 2 goals again? Refs are letting them play and just keep the penalty calls from affectng the outcome of the game.</p>

 

[JOVE23]

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Hammers knee will be seeing a lot of ice between now and Thurs. Kings looked like a totally different team at home but can they keep the Hawks scoring down to 2 goals again? Refs are letting them play and just keep the penalty calls from affectng the outcome of the game.</p>
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Letting them play?</p>


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I woulda liked to have seen that trip on Toews in front of the Kings net get called. Otherwise, I have no real complaints, I had to figure they'd win and at least dominate part of the game.</p>

 

[mikita's helmet]

I don't see Keith getting suspended. Carter was trying to slash his bare hand and players get hand fractures and deep bruises all the time even with their gloves on when they're slashed. If Carter wouldn't have initiated the incident, Keith wouldn't have retaliated. Frankly, I think Carter got exactly what he deserved. If you're gonna be chippy and play dirty, you gotta expect to get knicked yourself. **** Carter.


As TCD noted, really don't understand why the icing was waived off in the last minute.


Regardless, one pass too many 3 or 4 times at the end of the game. Shoot. Get. the. puck. on. the. net.


Bickell just missed scoring on the PP and at the end of the game on REBOUNDS. Shoot. Get. the. puck. on. the. net.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

I didn't expect the team to win both games in LA.  They didn't play a horrid game, and had plenty of chances that they were just about 6 inches away from the puck and it didn't bounce their way.  It happens.  I will say I agree with Pez that Kane needs to get his head out of his ass.  He is just standing there consistently waiting for the puck to come to him, and isn't willing to skate a few feet to go get it.</p>


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Some good effort by lots of players tonight that just didn't quite get to the puck in time to do something with it.  They were outplayed, but it wasn't a total collapse.</p>


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I expect them to bounce back with a stronger effort on Thursday.  Hopefully the injuries tonight aren't going to affect playtime for some players.</p>

 

[Ton]

I haven't read anything after the game yet, but I thought the D played pretty well. I'd like to highlight Oduya and Rozsival for pmxc, I thought they played well and that is what I expect from them night in and out. But specifically, I'd like to highlight Hammer... once again he had a all-star game and he deserves a lot of credit for the way he played tonight, but honestly he's played great the entire playoffs (and Bickell). Crawford played well too, the people I was with reamed him for the 2nd goal but I thought he was screened plus he anticipated a good shot rather than a broken play so I was OK with it.</p>


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Unfortunately, the offense just couldn't get going until the last half of the game, and considering Quick was in net, that just isn't good enough. The team has to be better. Can't point out a scapegoat tonight (Saad sucked tonight as well as the entire playoffs, but I wouldn't pin anyone, including him, as the scapegoat for the loss), just need to be better all around.</p>


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The slash to the head by Keith was a big no-no... but it was obviously on accident. Carter slashed his hand (thought he should have had two for that, no excuse for that type of play, could have broke Keith's hand) and he wanted a bit of retribution, it would have been a nothing play if he didn't end up with his stick catching Carter's mouth. Unfortunate, but oh well. I was happy to see Keith come back and let Carter know that it was an accident. Bad play, but classy outcome. He deserved the 4 minutes and I have no issues with that call, accidental or not.</p>


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The last minute icing waive off was bullshit, but doesn't excuse the Blackhawks piss poor offensive play.</p>


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Bottom line — Good game, lets hope the Hawks can take Game 4.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

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I'm not a Kane hater, I just expect more from the Hawks' best players. Toews is not immune either. The problem I have with Kane is, he keeps trying the fancy dangles and trying to beat guys 1 on 1. He had such a successful season this year by making the smart, simple plays, and letting his talent do the work. He's not going hard wide at all anymore. He's not pushing the defense back and putting on the brakes and looking for the open guys. He's trying to be entirely too fancy, and not taking what the opposition is giving him. Sharp is the best player on that line, hands down.</p>
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Pez without being an asshole like I can be during live games. I share your own concerns with Kane and Toews and I think all us fans do. Out of the 4 teams remaining right now Boston is the only team really getting production offensively from their top forward players. I do however consider Sharp to be a top player for the Hawks and always have even when he is slumping (still think he is deeply under-estimated by the fan base and what he has brought to the club from day one). Hossa, Keith and Seabs I also consider top players but im not talking about defensive goal production so I'll keep Keith and Seabs out of this (both have stepped up since the 3-1 Wings lead for various reasons).</p>


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 I just don't know how anyone can take how unproductive Kane has been and it not strike injury possibilities. I don't know 100% of he is playing with something serious but im going on gut here and a few awkward body language moments he looks injured to me. Some guys just don't react well to injuries and how it effect their game. I might be wrong but I think Kane is completely in his own mind a little now due to that. Toews a little also but hes still productive on the defensive end of the game so Toews easily gets a little bit more leeway than Kane...fair or not its just the way it goes when one guy has a defensive game to fall back on and the other really doesn't. That's why I like 2 way players the most in the league and not the all out offensive talent guys.</p>


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Hell Toews could be hurt also..and it wouldn't shock me after the crap hes taken these playoffs. If not injured I don't know what the issue is with those two other than the possibility of them just not being to overcome the double teaming and shadowing they are getting. I think they have the talent to do just that so I automatically go to injuries. I know it's not a good enough excuse for people unless they know the extent of said injury or injuries. </p>


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I'll agree Kane has been making some poor decisions with the puck and without it. Its no secret I myself hate that he tries the short side shot the amount he does. Blueprints pretty much out on that one and Kanes been pretty well scouted by the opposition including his desires to try to beat 2 defenders all the time up the middle. Sometimes he still gets through it but certainly not as much as in the regular season. Opposition isn't stupid, as soon as he hits the ice they clog the middle esp right below their blueline. And as we all know Q is not a great bench coach on visiting ice. So he doesn't help there. </p>


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Bottom line like you said there Hawks are going to need production from them both as far as scoring goals go as this series moves on and frankly if they get to the final the Hawks aren't winning without more production from them. I know the depth has been great so far esp Bickell but come the finals that's not going to be enough as far as forward production goes. A little less of a concern but still one..Saad has to ship up also. If not for his defensive contributions he would be on the bench since the Wild series. Hes been horrible up front and guys like Toffoli for the Kings who is less than a rookie is making Saad look stupid. Fair or not that is the comparison I am making. I want more from all 3 of those guys offensively as a greedy fan. Hell even Saad lately 5 on 5 hasn't been great on the defensive end. but team defense ranks at the bottom of my concerns.</p>


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I wanted Kane/Toews/Sharp back again when this series started but after the first 2 games you gotta agree it wasn't a pressing need. Maybe on visiting ice where Q stinks it's what is needed? Maybe on home ice where i think Q runs his bench very well he can go back to the way the lines have been this series to begin with? I don't know. Im not in the dressing room close to these guys to get the feel nor am i close to the ice and bench to pick up on the cues. But being an armchair coach it certainly appears that Q needs to stack lines on visiting ice. Easy for me to say though.</p>


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Ill stop rambling now. Just a bit calmer after having my post game walk. I really do get worked up. Im a horrible emotional fan.</p>

 

[mikita's helmet]

Dan Hinote just said on NHL Network that if Carter would've broken two or three fingers in Keith's hand we'd be talking about Carter receiving a phone call from the league and possibly being suspended.  He added he doesn't expect Keith to be suspended.</p>

 

[mikita's helmet]

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. I really do get worked up. Im a horrible emotional fan.</p>
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Because you care, because you care.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

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Dan Hinote just said on NHL Network that if Carter would've broken two or three fingers in Keith's hand we'd be talking about Carter receiving a phone call from the league and possibly being suspended.  He added he doesn't expect Keith to be suspended.</p>
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Good for Carter to speak truths. Sorry I know people hate the Kings right now but its a team I respect and I have always liked Carter even though he was a dick with his slash. All part of emotional chipy playoff hockey.</p>


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Aaron Ward on TSN said one of the dumbest things of these playoffs. Pretty much said Carter slashing Keiths glove was okay because Keiths hand was sliding into the glove at the moment. My reaction to that was...dooooiiiiiii doooooooiiiiii!!</p>

 

[Ton]

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Good for Carter to speak truths. Sorry I know people hate the Kings right now but its a team I respect and I have always liked Carter even though he was a dick with his slash. All part of emotional chipy playoff hockey.</p>


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Aaron Ward on TSN said one of the dumbest things of these playoffs. Pretty much said Carter slashing Keiths glove was okay because Keiths hand was sliding into the glove at the moment. My reaction to that was...dooooiiiiiii doooooooiiiiii!!</p>
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No excuse for Carters play... it was intent to injure. But even with that fact, I don't think there should be a call from the league. It wasn't "ok" for him to do, but it's playoff hockey. Shit happens.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

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No excuse for Carters play... it was intent to injure. But even with that fact, I don't think there should be a call from the league. It wasn't "ok" for him to do, but it's playoff hockey. Shit happens.</p>
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the funny thing is sometimes you can actually leave it to the players to deal with the incidents themselves. Its obvious Carter and Keith respect each other and like anyone get caught up in the moment and understand it. These two aren't idiots, have been in the league a while, have played against each other and with each other through their careers. They don't need the league or fat fucks behind a tv desk or a message board (like me) to baby sit them and judge either of them. Keith apologized to Carter..Carter accepted it probably said the same to Duncs and have moved on. Fans and the media and the league need to take note of that and just leave it as is. Both guys are mature players who have seen it all and been there before. just kills me..its a game of guys on blades speeding around on ice in a locked in space holding sticks and chasing a hard puck around. Shits going to happen. 95% of it is always unintentional. Letting the 5% dictate everything is getting stupid. Carter and Keith showed the personality most hockey players have towards each other and the risks of playing a dangerous yet fun as **** game. Sometimes "sorries" are just fine and enough to settle an incident.</p>


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too much of a media circus with these type of events. hockey media is starting to suck balls.</p>

 

[mikita's helmet]

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No excuse for Carters play... it was intent to injure.</p>
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...and Keith had an irrational, emotional reaction.</p>


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...but without Carter intending to slash Keith's hand, there is no Keith reaction.</p>

 

[Ton]

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...and Keith had an irrational, emotional reaction.</p>


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...but without Carter intending to slash Keith's hand, there is no Keith reaction.</p>
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Right, so to me, it's a wash-out.</p>


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Move on, time for Game 4.</p>

 

[mikita's helmet]

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Right, so to me, it's a wash-out.</p>


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Move on, time for Game 4.</p>
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Yep, win the next game and the Hawks are in great shape.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

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As TCD noted, really don't understand why the icing was waived off in the last minute.


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This one has still yet to be explained to me. Did the puck go off a Hawk player which i missed? I know it probably wouldn't have changed the outcome but one never knows. We have all seen goals scored off a faceoff before with seconds left on the clock. Hawks probably wouldn't have won the faceoff anyways. Didnt win many tonight unless your name was Shaw.</p>