We need to clear some things up on here

[Broc]

Truth!!!!

Brocs one of the biggest creeps on here, just try to ignore what he says

Good call despbro... it's much smarter to ignore me since you clearly can't refute any of my arguments.

[video]https://youtu.be/HYLuQyWLXbI[/video]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how Trestman's nerd personality and lax coaching style is to blame for Cutler's problems reading defenses and making quick, correct decisions as highlighted in the above video link.

 

[Desperado34]

Good call despbro... it's much smarter to ignore me since you clearly can't refute any of my arguments.

[video]https://youtu.be/HYLuQyWLXbI[/video]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how Trestman nerd personality and lax coaching style is to blame for Cutler's problems reading defenses and making quick, correct decisions as highlighted in the above video link.

He's here!!!!!! The creeper

 

[Broc]

He's here!!!!!! The creeper

Do you ever talk football on here?

 

[jc456]

Good call despbro... it's much smarter to ignore me since you clearly can't refute any of my arguments.

[video]https://youtu.be/HYLuQyWLXbI[/video]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how Trestman's nerd personality and lax coaching style is to blame for Cutler's problems reading defenses and making quick, correct decisions as highlighted in the above video link.

Dude that's just too funny. So if you don't think poor coaching affects a team, oh well, we'll disagree. Not all of us say Cutler didn't make bad decisions. So unsure your point. Trestman was a goof, unproven as a HC in the NFL and it was realized after one and a half years. Fired because of it. he lost the team, not just a player, the team.

 

[Desperado34]

Do you ever talk football on here?

More than most

 

[Jailbreak]

I think Trestman is a good coach, but head coaching came a little late for him. He seemed overwhelmed with managing an NFL team. Sometimes smart people aren't suited for broad responsibilities. Good guy and a good coach, I believe. It's hard to go from the CFL to the NFL - he'd have had more success with a better GM and some support from competent coaches. Just a bad recipe - Kromer isn't a bad coach, but he did feel it necessary to say something. You need to have your coaches behind you if nothing else.

It's hard to know without being the fly on the wall, but the staff seems comfortable now top to bottom. They just have to perform. I think Pace is an enabler, so if he makes the correct decisions with staff and player personnel, he should have a long career as GM.

 

[Broc]

Dude that's just too funny. So if you don't think poor coaching affects a team, oh well, we'll disagree. Not all of us say Cutler didn't make bad decisions. So unsure your point. Trestman was a goof, unproven as a HC in the NFL and it was realized after one and a half years. Fired because of it. he lost the team, not just a player, the team.

Are you illiterate or just dumb? My point is pretty clear. You can blame Trestman for a lot of things that went wrong with this team but Jay Cutler is responsible for his own performance just like every other player is. You can't just scapegoat everything onto Trestman and act like a new coaching staff is some magic cure to all this teams problems. It's awesome we have a new GM and coaching staff but that's not going to matter much if the players don't execute at a high level and lose games.

What are the excuses going to be when Cutler's shoddy footwork and throwing mechanics that he's failed to clean up in 9+ years continue to negatively effect his accuracy this season?

What are the excuses going to be when Cutler's issues reading defenses and making quick decisions render Gase's system as ineffective as Trestman's was last season?

Are you guys just going to jump ship off the Gase bandwagon just like you did with Trestman? Probably.

I can see it now....

"Remember guys it takes 3 seasons to learn a system so you can't expect Cutler to be effective until the 2017 season"...

"Gase's system was only good because he had Manning, his system is too predictable, he calls too many tunnel screens.. blah blah blah"...

 

[gpphat]

Creep nerd.

You sir, are the ultimate

When I do something, I make sure to knock it out the park

 

[BearFanJohn]

I agree, it is a combo platter. If either the defense or the turnovers were better (o.k. much better) the other wouldn't be as destructive. The defense will be better if only because of coaching. But I don't know if it is going to be good enough. So, Fox is going to go run heavy and take the ints out of Cuter's hands so to speak..

 

[Jailbreak]

I agree, it is a combo platter. If either the defense or the turnovers were better (o.k. much better) the other wouldn't be as destructive. The defense will be better if only because of coaching. But I don't know if it is going to be good enough. So, Fox is going to go run heavy and take the ints out of Cuter's hands so to speak..

I think he's seen that way and I hope he sees it that way. Jay has left behind the point of being a long term answer. His job is to perform now and try to develop a successor. If he can do that he might even get another year. I really think he's average because he doesn't care enough, which is also why I wouldn't expect much of him as a mentor.

I know, I know - I don't care about his body language much, but judging from the side he's just very aloof, nonchalant, disengaged - whatever you want to call it.

 

[theOHIOSTATE!]

Does anyone seriously disagree with the proposition that Cutlers is somewhere from the 13th to 19th best starting QB in the NFL right now?

I just still don't see what you guys are really disagreeing about?

He is a mediocre QB who at 32 rates not to ever be much more than that and is unfortunately for the Bears is drawing the salary of a top 5 QB.

What else really needs to be said; what possibly could be that important to talk about for months and months and months?

 

[jc456]

Are you illiterate or just dumb? My point is pretty clear. You can blame Trestman for a lot of things that went wrong with this team but Jay Cutler is responsible for his own performance just like every other player is. You can't just scapegoat everything onto Trestman and act like a new coaching staff is some magic cure to all this teams problems. It's awesome we have a new GM and coaching staff but that's not going to matter much if the players don't execute at a high level and lose games.

What are the excuses going to be when Cutler's shoddy footwork and throwing mechanics that he's failed to clean up in 9+ years continue to negatively effect his accuracy this season?

What are the excuses going to be when Cutler's issues reading defenses and making quick decisions render Gase's system as ineffective as Trestman's was last season?

Are you guys just going to jump ship off the Gase bandwagon just like you did with Trestman? Probably.

I can see it now....

"Remember guys it takes 3 seasons to learn a system so you can't expect Cutler to be effective until the 2017 season"...

"Gase's system was only good because he had Manning, his system is too predictable, he calls too many tunnel screens.. blah blah blah"...

if Jay shits the toilet, I'm fine with him being replaced. Not sure, I have been consistent with this. I, just don't see the doom and gloom that you see. I saw a badly coached team play last year. Within that badly coached team I saw some individual play that sucked. There are excuses out the behind on why, and most I place on the individual. But I did see where at times there were break downs in the offensive and defensive schemes. complete shut downs at times. Key Players out of position at the wrong times. Far too many penalties that turned nice plays into losses and changed the scope on the field. But hey, maybe you watched it differently than me. That's fine. I just don't see what all the hatred toward a player gets you. he's here, he will be most likely the starter. i want him to succeed. I'd like to see many more players on the field who have football instincts this year. I'm hoping.

 

[jc456]

Does anyone seriously disagree with the proposition that Cutlers is somewhere from the 13th to 19th best starting QB in the NFL right now?

I just still don't see what you guys are really disagreeing about?

He is a mediocre QB who at 32 rates not to ever be much more than that and is unfortunately for the Bears is drawing the salary of a top 5 QB.

What else really needs to be said; what possibly could be that important to talk about for months and months and months?

it's the references to Cutler being a cancer. I don't see it. I also don't like the constant hate bashing of the man. he got his money as a result of a negotiation with a team. The team messed up. Not sure how that is on Cutler. should Cutler play better, indeed. This year's salary will be more middle of the pack with the other QBs in the league. No more rewards until a conference title at least.

 

[Broc]

I just still don't see what you guys are really disagreeing about?

Um probably the fact that some folks here like to make Trestman the scapegoat for everything and act like Cutler is just some poor victim that bears no responsibility for his own performance and the clear regression in the offense from 2013 to 2014....

 

[jc456]

Um probably the fact that some folks here like to make Trestman the scapegoat for everything and act like Cutler is just some poor victim that bears no responsibility for his own performance and the clear regression in the offense from 2013 to 2014....

and that is a wrong assessment on your part. But you're entitled to your opinion. Just note, that isn't what has been said by most on here.

 

[discplayer]

Cutler is average, not bad. Look up the stats.

And yes, the Ravens won a Superbowl with Trent Dilfer at QB in which they went 5 consecutive games without scoring a touchdown.

except that you are neglecting to recognize that Dilfer handed the ball off far more than he passed it, and when he was asked to pass it, he threw it away if nothing was there, knowing his defense would stop the other team from scoring... basically, he realized his team could win as long as HE DID NOT THROW IT TO THE OTHER TEAM!

those two simple concepts have always eluded Cutler's grasp.

 

[Broc]

and that is a wrong assessment on your part. But you're entitled to your opinion. Just note, that isn't what has been said by most on here.

Did I say most people? No I said some people. If you don't fall into that group then great, but don't act like there aren't any people (*points to despbro) that hold that view.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

except that you are neglecting to recognize that Dilfer handed the ball off far more than he passed it, and when he was asked to pass it, he threw it away if nothing was there, knowing his defense would stop the other team from scoring... basically, he realized his team could win as long as HE DID NOT THROW IT TO THE OTHER TEAM!

those two simple concepts have always eluded Cutler's grasp.

Dilfer had 1 more TD than INT in 2000. His QB Rating was 76.6.

http://www.nfl.com/player/trentdilfer/2500392/careerstats

 

[Desperado34]

Did I say most people? No I said some people. If you don't fall into that group then great, but don't act like there aren't any people (*points to despbro) that hold that view.

Here he goes again..

 

[The Hawk]

Um probably the fact that some folks here like to make Trestman the scapegoat for everything and act like Cutler is just some poor victim that bears no responsibility for his own performance and the clear regression in the offense from 2013 to 2014....

THere is no doubt that some fans feel that way as in those fans who refer to Cutler as the "best quarterback in the history of the Chicago Bears". People have made excuses for Cutler non-stop ever since he came over. Now, most of the excuses have gone the way of the dodo bird but some still linger. You are correct in your assessment.