What is the minimum you would accept for Howard?

[WindyCity]

I don't expect to get full value for him. But if we do get Hunt then better to get something for him rather than let him potentially be disgruntled for all of 2019 and then walk in 2020 for free. Not worth the distraction to horde a player's rights that you don't even want on the team.

Howard has given us everything we asked of him. He deserves the right to move on if ultimately Nagy doesn't think he fits on the Bears.

I agree.

If Howard is not your guy, which is fine, you give him a chance to play. I do not think you bury him on the bench because he is cheap and tank his pre free agency year. Trade him somewhere he can get touches and bring in some guys who better fir the mold you want.

 

[dabears70]

In 3 years he has caught a lil over 20 catches with a lil over 75 percent catch rate... better than many receivers per target.
I saw the same thing you did. It's like he just stopped being a receiving threat after the first few games.

Yeah and it's kinda confusing cause like i said i don't think he dropped one single ball that was thrown to him in those first few games.

 

[WindyCity]

Disagree about your disagreement. Howard improved on his catching and routes running. He is the definition of a bellcow back but wasn't utilized properly

Average speed, vision, feet, and power. He is a good back, he is going to grind out good games for you, but nothing he does is dynamic or special.

The most special thing about him is his durability.

He gives you a workman like effort at RB, but he is not even in the top half of the back in the league and I am pretty sure that is going to be reflected in his next contract.

 

[WindyCity]

Honest question how many teams in the NFL does Howard start for?

 

[WindyCity]

Yeah and it's kinda confusing cause like i said i don't think he dropped one single ball that was thrown to him in those first few games.

I think the problem is that he runs flats and check downs.

The Chiefs run a ton of routes with their backs. Seams, and crossing routes, deep posts, and they work the middle of the field a ton and the 2nd level a bunch.

So, I do not think the issue is his catch rate, but the degree of difficulty of his routes and catches.

 

[dabears70]

Yeah and it's kinda confusing cause like i said i don't think he dropped one single ball that was thrown to him in those first few games.

So i just checked and they actually didn't stop throwing completely but they definitely went away from using him in the passing game.

Week 1 he had 5 tgts and 5 rec.
Week 2 he had 4 tgts and 3 rec.
Week 3 he had 2 tgts and 2 rec
Then the next 11 games he had 2 tgts in 1 game, 0 tgts in 1 game and 1 tgt in 9 games and then the last 2 games he had 3 and 2 tgts.

 

[WindyCity]

So i just checked and they actually didn't stop throwing completely but they definitely went away from using him in the passing game.

Week 1 he had 5 tgts and 5 rec.
Week 2 he had 4 tgts and 3 rec.
Week 3 he had 2 tgts and 2 rec
Then the next 11 games he had 2 tgts in 1 game, 0 tgts in 1 game and 1 tgt in 9 games and then the last 2 games he had 3 and 2 tgts.

Those were also Trubisky's really bad games where he looked a little lost and overwhelmed. I am sure that had something to do with his checkdown numbers.

 

[dabears70]

I think the problem is that he runs flats and check downs.

The Chiefs run a ton of routes with their backs. Seams, and crossing routes, deep posts, and they work the middle of the field a ton and the 2nd level a bunch.

So, I do not think the issue is his catch rate, but the degree of difficulty of his routes and catches.

So in other words it's basically what we've been saying in that he just isn't the type of RB that fits what Nagy wants in his system and definitely not in the passing game....lol. Still think it's odd that the first game he went 5 for 5 and then it just fell off. You would think they could of fooled teams by running some pass routes to him cause they wouldn't be expecting it.

 

[dennehy]

Honest question how many teams in the NFL does Howard start for?

Not many, and it gets even smaller when you factor in Leveon Bell, possibly Mark Ingram and few other FAs, and probably 2 or 3 draft picks.

 

[DaaBears]

Honest question how many teams in the NFL does Howard start for?

If you asked that a year ago, about 25. And that was playing through injury. People forget what a monster he was when being fed the ball. And that was when the Bears had no receivers and a giraffe quarterbacking, the defenses stacking the box.

 

[CaptnSUG]

Really the best way to think of draft picks is as:
Number one overall (or perhaps number two in a particularly strong year)
Top five
First round
Top-fifty
Top one-hundred
Late round

I simply dont think in terms beyond that. The truth is that after around one hundredth overall teams are often rarely targeting the same players. The guys everyone wants are all gone. There's of course a little competition but nothing that cant be overcome with a trade-up.

As for Howard I'm not taking anything out of the top one-hundred and am looking more towards something around number fifty overall.

 

[DanTown]

The perception of Howard is far stronger on this board than his actual ability. I don't see a market for him because how many teams want to be that type of team? Maybe two or three and in those cases, they have their guy. The only team that makes any sort of sense is Jacksonville but I can't see them giving up a 5 for Hyde then another pick to get Howard.

Jordan Howard is a good back. There probably isn't a ton of trade value for him because teams want to pass now and Howard isn't that kind of back.

 

[CaptnSUG]

Seattle and New England showed that a running game can be just as potent a tool to get over the playoff hump.

 

[Ditka19861]

Howard and Parkey for a 5th and Gould??

 

[Broc]

With more pressing needs elsewhere and tight resources I'd hold on to him unless someone makes an offer we can't refuse(2nd+), but that's just me. I'm pretty skeptical on the whole Hunt situation personally. Seems like an unnecessary risk when you can draft another sleeper like they did with both Howard and Cohen but we'll see. It's kind of a weird situation... Howard has been serviceable but left a lot of big plays out there this past year where as Cohen was a great mismatch coming out of the backfield but was equally frustrating as an actual running back with his tendency to run sideways for no gain. It'll be very interesting to see where Nagy and Pace go from here.

 

[msadows]

bearmick:Trubisky::msadows:Howard

Are you saying I think Howard sucks? Because I don't. I think he is a top 10-12 back in the right scheme, we just don't run the right one. Unfortunately he's an old school back in a new school system.

I recognize Howard's talent, we just don't run an offense to compliment it.

Personally, I'd rather get rid of the bad fit while we still can versus letting him walk a year from now for nothing. Those of you who say keep him, why? If he produces the same way, or even a little better next year, we will still have a shit run game. I doubt he gets back to his rookie year numbers ever again in this scheme.

 

[greg23]

Just fking call Gruden and get our 1st rounder back

 

[RubberBanMan]

Are you saying I think Howard sucks? Because I don't. I think he is a top 10-12 back in the right scheme, we just don't run the right one. Unfortunately he's an old school back in a new school system.

I recognize Howard's talent, we just don't run an offense to compliment it.

Personally, I'd rather get rid of the bad fit while we still can versus letting him walk a year from now for nothing. Those of you who say keep him, why? If he produces the same way, or even a little better next year, we will still have a shit run game. I doubt he gets back to his rookie year numbers ever again in this scheme.

Fans are too emotionally attached to certain players. Anybody watching this year saw Howard struggle. Everyone that watched him saw how slow he was whenever he finally broke a run and got caught from behind. How many times did we see him punching the ground like he just missed one?

I love Howard and was against trading him last year. But after seeing this year it's ok. Let him go if we can get something out of it.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

Someone on reddit made a thread comparing Howard to Alfred Morris. That the change of schemes after shanny left ended up dropping off Alfreds career and that Howard is in a similar situation.

LOL at this. Morris had over 1000 yards and made the pro bowl after the change of schemes. Quite the "drop off", no? Morris was a "Kyle Long rookie", in that Jordan Howard in 2018 is the same age (24) that Morris was as a rookie. Morris started late, got a lot of carries and punishment, and lost his explosiveness (even though he's still in the NFL). I think its too early to write off Howard.

Perhaps you should post on reddit more, tho. You seem to hinder this forum.

 

[WindyCity]

With more pressing needs elsewhere and tight resources I'd hold on to him unless someone makes an offer we can't refuse(2nd+), but that's just me. I'm pretty skeptical on the whole Hunt situation personally. Seems like an unnecessary risk when you can draft another sleeper like they did with both Howard and Cohen but we'll see. It's kind of a weird situation... Howard has been serviceable but left a lot of big plays out there this past year where as Cohen was a great mismatch coming out of the backfield but was equally frustrating as an actual running back with his tendency to run sideways for no gain. It'll be very interesting to see where Nagy and Pace go from here.

I think we are investing at RB anyway, it is clear that Howard does not have the big play ability that Nagy wants.

If we are investing, I think we need to explore recouping picks.