What was the biggest reason we lost to Miami in 2011?

[houheffna]

Lol you guys are incredible. In 95 pippen led the league in defensive rating, steals, was all nba defense 1st team, anchored the number 2 ranked defense, avg a block a game, was the leagues best perimeter defender as well as help defender.

And it was all pippen, the starters were;

Armstrong suspect defender
Myers solid defender
Pippen
Kukoc who was a terrible defender and couldn't speak english
Luc longley, who was labled a bust.

how that team stayed 3 games above 500, and had the number 2 defensive ranking is a testament to pippen. And he was robbed of the dpoy. Even more, he finished 7th.

But I'm a biased bulls fan. In a bulls forum no less.

Its like going into someones house and questioning the way they have their furniture set up.

Why did mutombo win dpoy? Cuz he's 7'2 and blocked shots? I defy any of you guys to make a better case for him (mutombo).

Now who is using stats? There was no such thing as a defensive rating in 1995, Mark Eaton won the award twice and he couldn't guard me....unless I went to the basket.

Pippen led the league in defensive rating ONCE! Hakeem did it 5 years straight...and would win the award twice. He was in the top 10 in that particular area for 11 years!

You talk about how Rodman was the greatest defender maybe ever? Who was the leader in defensive rating every year he won? I don't know...Hakeem the Dream??? What about the year Michael Jordan would win the award...guess who led the league in efficiency that year?

Learn THE CRITERION FOR VOTING FOR THE AWARD! LEARN THE HISTORY OF THE WHOLE LEAGUE!!!

And please GTFOH with the Kukoc couldn't speak english garbage, as if Pippen had to learn to speak Croatian for Kukoc to be a good player...give me a break...Kukoc knew some English and gave interviews while in Chicago.

So to answer your question...why did Mutombo win? You are exactly right...because he was 7'2" and blocked shots...that was the reason a lot of players won the award. And you act as if it was a one year thing...Mutombo remained 7 feet and blocked shots and won 3 MORE TIMES!!!

Once again, please learn a little history about the sport before calling others biased for telling it like it is....

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Maybe its time for the mods to unlock my "1994 bulls vs. 2011 bulls in a 7 game serie" thread...This is the same argument going on on this thread....The last bunch of pages are way off topic fellas....just saying...



I will agree with Hue that Tony spoke good enough english to understand what was going on and what we needed from him....Its basketball and he understood that most importantly.....

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Maybe its time for the mods to unlock my "1994 bulls vs. 2011 bulls in a 7 game serie" thread...This is the same argument going on on this thread....The last bunch of pages are way off topic fellas....just saying...



I will agree with Hue that Tony spoke good enough english to understand what was going on and what we needed from him....Its basketball and he understood that most importantly.....

You should be happy that I didn't get pissy when you created a whole new pointless topic about the same thing we beat to death MONTHS ago bro.

The only reason I wanted the other one closed was because of all the name-calling and shit that it was riddled with.

Just don't abuse this one and needlessly bump it like what happened with the other one.

And, in case you haven't noticed, I created a topic for people to take their debates when they get too far off-topic. You're welcome.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

You should be happy that I didn't get pissy when you created a whole new pointless topic about the same thing we beat to death MONTHS ago bro.

The only reason I wanted the other one closed was because of all the name-calling and shit that it was riddled with.

Just don't abuse this one and needlessly bump it like what happened with the other one.

And, in case you haven't noticed, I created a topic for people to take their debates when they get too far off-topic. You're welcome.

Thank you friend

acman2:

 

[97Bulls]

Now who is using stats? There was no such thing as a defensive rating in 1995, Mark Eaton won the award twice and he couldn't guard me....unless I went to the basket.

Pippen led the league in defensive rating ONCE! Hakeem did it 5 years straight...and would win the award twice. He was in the top 10 in that particular area for 11 years!

You talk about how Rodman was the greatest defender maybe ever? Who was the leader in defensive rating every year he won? I don't know...Hakeem the Dream??? What about the year Michael Jordan would win the award...guess who led the league in efficiency that year?

Learn THE CRITERION FOR VOTING FOR THE AWARD! LEARN THE HISTORY OF THE WHOLE LEAGUE!!!

And please GTFOH with the Kukoc couldn't speak english garbage, as if Pippen had to learn to speak Croatian for Kukoc to be a good player...give me a break...Kukoc knew some English and gave interviews while in Chicago.

So to answer your question...why did Mutombo win? You are exactly right...because he was 7'2" and blocked shots...that was the reason a lot of players won the award. And you act as if it was a one year thing...Mutombo remained 7 feet and blocked shots and won 3 MORE TIMES!!!

Once again, please learn a little history about the sport before calling others biased for telling it like it is....

All the points I used and all you got out of it was defensive rating? What about him leading the league in steals? How bout anchoring the number 2 ranked defense? Cuz luc longley didn't do it. How bout the fact that his team had a better record than mutombos? Even though mutombo had better players. How bout the fact that when it came to anything that had to do with defense, pippen was involved?

And I don't care if kukoc created the english language, he was a shitty defender. I remember phil jackson saying that the only english kukoc knew was when he was told to shoot the ball. Kukoc himself said it was hard comunicating with his teammates on the court the first few years cuz he couldn't understand them.

And since were on the english language, why don't you learn some reading comprehension. The question I asked you was did pippen deserve the dpoy award in 1995. Not any other year.

I gotta tell you heff..... sometimes I wonder if your more interested in winning an argument than trying to find a common ground. Or maybe your a plant that's here to stir up controversy. There no real reason you can give as to why pippen wasn't awarded the dpoy award other than politics.

 

[Glide2keva]

I gotta tell you heff..... sometimes I wonder if your more interested in winning an argument than trying to find a common ground. Or maybe your a plant that's here to stir up controversy. There no real reason you can give as to why pippen wasn't awarded the dpoy award other than politics.

You hit the nail, right on the head.

 

[houheffna]

All the points I used and all you got out of it was defensive rating? What about him leading the league in steals? How bout anchoring the number 2 ranked defense? Cuz luc longley didn't do it. How bout the fact that his team had a better record than mutombos? Even though mutombo had better players. How bout the fact that when it came to anything that had to do with defense, pippen was involved?

And I don't care if kukoc created the english language, he was a shitty defender. I remember phil jackson saying that the only english kukoc knew was when he was told to shoot the ball. Kukoc himself said it was hard comunicating with his teammates on the court the first few years cuz he couldn't understand them.

And since were on the english language, why don't you learn some reading comprehension. The question I asked you was did pippen deserve the dpoy award in 1995. Not any other year.

I gotta tell you heff..... sometimes I wonder if your more interested in winning an argument than trying to find a common ground. Or maybe your a plant that's here to stir up controversy. There no real reason you can give as to why pippen wasn't awarded the dpoy award other than politics.

LOL...I explained why...again, you are ignoring the argument...NO ITS NOT A ROBBERY BECAUSE OF THE CRITERION USED TO DECIDE THE AWARD!!!

I just took your lame argument and shitted on it. Don't get mad at me if the truth hurts...

my point was number 1, you don't know the history of the award or the league...number 2...he wasn't so superior to other players that year that the argument can be made that he was robbed. number 3...Mutombo fit the mold of the prototype DPOY and Pippen didn't...in damn near every case, the leader in blocks trumps the leader in steals in DPOY voting...so how the hell was Pippen robbed?

 

[Krystal]

D, I believe.

You could say Miami was the better team (eh lol) but if the Bulls had another playmaker, the outcome of that series would've been totally different.

 

[CubbyBear2290]

Lack of 2nd ballhandler/playmaker in the backcourt next to rose, at least IMHO....

 

[Gunzaan]

I'm way late to this party.

I voted for Thibs being out coached and I see I am the only one.

Why did I vote that way? Because at the very end of games, Rose went up against Lebron. That is a horrible mismatch and the coach should have adjusted.

Just my opinion.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I'm way late to this party.

I voted for Thibs being out coached and I see I am the only one.

Why did I vote that way? Because at the very end of games, Rose went up against Lebron. That is a horrible mismatch and the coach should have adjusted.

Just my opinion.

Rose never guarded LeBron. And at the end of Game 5, Rose was guarding Wade and Deng was guarding Chalmers or Miller, and Brewer was guarding LeBron (only because Deng had 5 fouls).

 

[Gunzaan]

Rose never guarded LeBron. And at the end of Game 5, Rose was guarding Wade and Deng was guarding Chalmers, and Brewer was guarding LeBron (only because Deng had 5 fouls).

How about the other way around? How often did Lebron guard Rose in the 4th? I can clearly remember atleast two times where Lebron made Rose look like a fool when he was guarding him.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

How about the other way around? How often did Lebron guard Rose in the 4th? I can clearly remember atleast two times where Lebron made Rose look like a fool when he was guarding him.

Thibodeau can't control who is guarding Rose.

 

[inactiveuser1]

Thibodeau can't control who is guarding Rose.

But he should have come up with a better play than having rose take Lebron one and one and end up forcing a mid range shot which rose doesn't hit that often

 

[Krystal]

But he should have come up with a better play than having rose take Lebron one and one and end up forcing a mid range shot which rose doesn't hit that often

That shot crushed me.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

But he should have come up with a better play than having rose take Lebron one and one and end up forcing a mid range shot which rose doesn't hit that often

Gosh.
Golly gee wiz.
It would be swell to have an actual 2 guard so Rose can pass the ball off to someone that. Can shoot..Lebron can't guard 2 people at once.
Too bad people here just want a 2 guard that can only play defense and score only a couple of points once in a great moon.

 

[Glide2keva]

your crush signed with China, get over it.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Gosh.
Golly gee wiz.
It would be swell to have an actual 2 guard so Rose can pass the ball off to someone that. Can shoot..Lebron can't guard 2 people at once.
Too bad people here just want a 2 guard that can only play defense and score only a couple of points once in a great moon.

 

[Deng Defense Force]

The Heat had a higher score than the Bulls did when time expired in 4 straight games.
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[TaraHarrison]

I am agree that Smith has to learn how to pass the ball,