What was the biggest reason we lost to Miami in 2011?

What was the biggest reason we lost to Miami in 2011?


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Glide2keva

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Pippen doesn't. Need to be sorry for what he did. He more than vindicated himself after that one play.
What up 9 7?

Man, it's feels good to have some other pro-Bulls fans around here. For a while it felt like there were only naysaying Bulls fans on here.

Oh and arguing with Hou is pointless. The whole argument will be about how he's right and how you're wrong.
 
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houheffna

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He shouldn't. Tony hit the shot.
If It would of happened differantly, Tony might not of hit the shot and the Bulls would of been down 0 to 3 in the series.
In a way, Pip was the MVP of that game for just sitting down alone, not to mention that Pip carried the Bulls that whole game.....Thanks PiP...:derbulls:

That made absolutely no sense whatsoever. Bill Cartwright went off on Pip after that game and cried openly saying no teammate had ever done that to him...because he was happy? OK!!!
 

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Please answer my question

Never gave it much thought concerning that particular year...I have always said that Pippen was the best defender to never win the award. I have never said that Pippen was a better player than Barkley. Not once...

As far as the Pippen/Barkley argument goes, once again....no player in the league that put up the numbers Barkley put up night in and night out was a worse player than Pippen...not one. And if Pippen was top 5 in the league those 2 years...Barkley was top 5 the previous 8, including those 2 years. I would have a hard time believing anyone over 30 would say Barkley wasn't a better player than Pippen, Rodman, and everybody else to wear a Bulls uniform besides Jordan.

Your explanation about Pippen doing more with less makes even less sense now that you clarified it. Pippen had 3 allstars and Kukoc on his team in 1994, did they overachieve? Sure...moreso than Olajuwan's teams? I don't know about that. Hakeem didn't have a core of guys that had won three titles together and Kukoc thrown in...that makes a heck of a difference, and a championship as the 6th seed in 1995 with Drexler. There is one guy that people agree won the title by himself, that was Hakeem in 1994. He was unstoppable and Pippen was never on that level. The Rockets were not supposed to fare better than Phoenix and Seattle that year, not at all. That is another tall tale you are spreading...
 

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Never gave it much thought concerning that particular year...I have always said that Pippen was the best defender to never win the award. I have never said that Pippen was a better player than Barkley. Not once...

As far as the Pippen/Barkley argument goes, once again....no player in the league that put up the numbers Barkley put up night in and night out was a worse player than Pippen...not one. And if Pippen was top 5 in the league those 2 years...Barkley was top 5 the previous 8, including those 2 years. I would have a hard time believing anyone over 30 would say Barkley wasn't a better player than Pippen, Rodman, and everybody else to wear a Bulls uniform besides Jordan.
pippen played behind jordan. So he lost a lot of limelight

Your explanation about Pippen doing more with less makes even less sense now that you clarified it. Pippen had 3 allstars and Kukoc on his team in 1994, did they overachieve? Sure...moreso than Olajuwan's teams? I don't know about that. Hakeem didn't have a core of guys that had won three titles together and Kukoc thrown in...that makes a heck of a difference, and a championship as the 6th seed in 1995 with Drexler. There is one guy that people agree won the title by himself, that was Hakeem in 1994. He was unstoppable and Pippen was never on that level. The Rockets were not supposed to fare better than Phoenix and Seattle that year, not at all. That is another tall tale you are spreading...
Lol 3 allstars? Really? Come on heff. You can do better than this. I didn't know you put this much stock in allstar appearances. And that "core" isn't the same one jordan had. Cartwright was basically replaced with longley, myers replaced jordan, kukoc was a rookie that couldn't speak english. Kerr replaced paxson. So the "core" was there in name, but their roles were drastically minimized.

Now.... you see what you did here? I ask you a simple question. Should pippen have won the dpoy in 95? Your reply is you don't give it much thought. Then you go into a rant about what olajuwan did in 94 and barkleys stats. Things you obviously have given much thought to.

I thought you looked at things objectively.
 

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What up 9 7?

Man, it's feels good to have some other pro-Bulls fans around here. For a while it felt like there were only naysaying Bulls fans on here.

Oh and arguing with Hou is pointless. The whole argument will be about how he's right and how you're wrong.

Sup glide? I missed a lot of thiis debate. I know you and heff have some differences. I think heff is a great poster. His way of thinking is just skewed.

And I'm sure I'm wasting my time. But I'm bull headed. And I have a lot of ammo. Not saying he's wrong cuz its his opinion. But he does contradict himself alot
 

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Now.... you see what you did here? I ask you a simple question. Should pippen have won the dpoy in 95? Your reply is you don't give it much thought. Then you go into a rant about what olajuwan did in 94 and barkleys stats. Things you obviously have given much thought to.

I thought you looked at things objectively.

So...this is your lame attempt to be clever? Please look up the word objectivity...and then do a better job of being objective yourself...

The difference between you and I, is I was objective enough to critique Pippen's abilities throughout his career, you on the other hand can't give a critique of Barkley's career....past 1984...how objective is that? Makes no sense.

And if you have to give "much" thought to how great Barkley was (I looked his stats up...didn't give that much thought) or who won the title in 1994 and 1995...then you sure as hell ain't objective. Stay a Bulls fan brother....in a room full of fanboys the bravest man in the room is the one who thinks objectively. I have no problem being that guy...
 
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Now.... you see what you did here? I ask you a simple question. Should pippen have won the dpoy in 95? Your reply is you don't give it much thought. Then you go into a rant about what olajuwan did in 94 and barkleys stats. Things you obviously have given much thought to.

I thought you looked at things objectively.
Now, you see what I go through on here.

Every player outside of the Bulls get waxed poetic and glorified for their NBA historical impact, but when it come to actual Bulls players, if it isn't Jordan, that matters very little.
 

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Sup glide? I missed a lot of this debate. I know you and heff have some differences. I think heff is a great poster. His way of thinking is just skewed.
The only problem I have with him is that he acts like he's the end all, be all source of basketball knowledge. He doesn't take differing opinions well. He gets mad when people disagrees with him. He would be a very good poster if his ego wasn't so big. But then he's a lebron fan, so I guess brazen cockiness with nothing to really show for it comes with the territory. I guess.

And I'm sure I'm wasting my time. But I'm bull headed. And I have a lot of ammo. Not saying he's wrong cuz its his opinion. But he does contradict himself a lot
He only contradicts himself in saying that he's a Bulls fan. He may like the Bulls, but he's more an NBA fan than a die hard Bulls fan.

That's how I see him. They make it seem like if you praise the Bulls, then you're being a homer and not being objective. People around the NBA forums go out of their way to discredit anything any Bulls player does, outside of Jordan. The sad part is, a lot of so-called Bulls fans do the same thing. I guess they don't want to appear biased, but isn't that what being a fan is all about?

Being a fan in it's most base definition means you are partisan to one thing over another. That leaves no room for objectivity. That is for observers.

The other problem with him is everything is black and white. No one gets screwed over or snubbed and every award holds the same weight. Take for instance him saying Scottie had 3 other all-stars in 94. That's a joke. BJ got in on Jordan's spot, Horace got in because he should've been there already, Kukoc made the first Rookie team and Steve Kerr was in the 3-point contest, so he took a lot of teammates to the weekend, but BJ didn't deserve it and neither did Horace, that year.

He has no context of what was happening at the time to his posts, it's just opinion and stats, nothing else. That's what makes it hard to talk to him, that and he has google on speed dial, ready to beat you over the head with stats that don't really matter.
 
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So...this is your lame attempt to be clever? Please look up the word objectivity...and then do a better job of being objective yourself...

The difference between you and I, is I was objective enough to critique Pippen's abilities throughout his career, you on the other hand can't give a critique of Barkley's career....past 1984...how objective is that? Makes no sense.

And if you have to give "much" thought to how great Barkley was (I looked his stats up...didn't give that much thought) or who won the title in 1994 and 1995...then you sure as hell ain't objective. Stay a Bulls fan brother....in a room full of fanboys the bravest man in the room is the one who thinks objectively. I have no problem being that guy...

:lmao: @ this bullshit. He's a martyr for objectivity.:lmao:
 

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That made absolutely no sense whatsoever. Bill Cartwright went off on Pip after that game and cried openly saying no teammate had ever done that to him...because he was happy? OK!!!


It makes sense to 90 % of the population......Pippen was garbage because he wasn't jordan..okay, we get it.....I'm not going to give you a hard time about it because I like your avatar....CHUBBROCK WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE RAPPERS OF ALL TIME..............LoL, I think........
 

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And I realize I'm relatively new here. And thus have missed the reason for the bad blood between glide and heff. But in my short time, id question some of the things I've read from heff as well as rami. I've never seen "fans" go so far out of their way to discredit their own team they claim they love. And defend the opposition to the point of degrading the contributions of players and holding their team to a standard they clearly don't hold other players to.

Get that bullshit out of here.
 

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It makes sense to 90 % of the population......Pippen was garbage because he wasn't jordan..okay, we get it.....I'm not going to give you a hard time about it because I like your avatar....CHUBBROCK WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE RAPPERS OF ALL TIME..............LoL, I think........

quit being a dumbass...who said Pippen was garbage? Bring something worthwhile to the conversation please...
 

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The only problem I have with him is that he acts like he's the end all, be all source of basketball knowledge. He doesn't take differing opinions well. He gets mad when people disagrees with him. He would be a very good poster if his ego wasn't so big. But then he's a lebron fan, so I guess brazen cockiness with nothing to really show for it comes with the territory. I guess.


He only contradicts himself in saying that he's a Bulls fan. He may like the Bulls, but he's more an NBA fan than a die hard Bulls fan.

That's how I see him. They make it seem like if you praise the Bulls, then you're being a homer and not being objective. People around the NBA forums go out of their way to discredit anything any Bulls player does, outside of Jordan. The sad part is, a lot of so-called Bulls fans do the same thing. I guess they don't want to appear biased, but isn't that what being a fan is all about?

Being a fan in it's most base definition means you are partisan to one thing over another. That leaves no room for objectivity. That is for observers.

The other problem with him is everything is black and white. No one gets screwed over or snubbed and every award holds the same weight. Take for instance him saying Scottie had 3 other all-stars in 94. That's a joke. BJ got in on Jordan's spot, Horace got in because he should've been there already, Kukoc made the first Rookie team and Steve Kerr was in the 3-point contest, so he took a lot of teammates to the weekend, but BJ didn't deserve it and neither did Horace, that year.

He has no context of what was happening at the time to his posts, it's just opinion and stats, nothing else. That's what makes it hard to talk to him, that and he has google on speed dial, ready to beat you over the head with stats that don't really matter.

Yeah, maybe if you google, you wouldn't say most of the dumb shit that you say. But then again, aren't you the one that said you didn't care if a statement is right or wrong...because its your opinion? Whatever bruh...please quit trying to psychoanalyze what I do and how I do it. Worry about yourself....and decide whether you are going to block me or not.

You can't seem to ignore me can you? Your one man boycott to have everyone ignore me didn't work, you couldn't get the board to ignore me so you have to show up and play the backup role to every person who I have a disagreement with...you have no life and no spine...lol
 

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Nobody is going to ignore Houheffna just because he comes out with strong opinions. Saying that he's not a Bulls' fan because he attempts objectivity is completely false. Nobody is 100% objective anyway and the guy likes taking the counter-to-popular belief stance a lot of the time. There are all kinds of fans out there. Anybody who calls out somebody's fanhood is doing something very classless.
 

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Hey rami, seeing as how houheffner refuses to answer my question, ill put it to you, did pippen deserve the dpoy award in 95? If you need me to get in depth I will.
 

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My favorite teams
  1. Chicago White Sox
  1. Chicago Bulls
  1. Chicago Bears
  1. Nebraska Cornhuskers
  2. Villanova Wildcats
So, I'm wrong for supporting the Bulls and their best player?
Nobody said you're wrong, it's just that you shouldn't get your panties in a twist when somebody dares go against the Bulls.
 
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