What was the biggest reason we lost to Miami in 2011?

[houheffna]

in the playoffs overall i think there is a sense of pressure...i think its hard to minimize the accomplishments of a player in the regular season and playoffs but hold a player to the standard of just the finals..

maybe not..but again i think there's a little more to consider in evaluating a player than just the finals

some people who really care about basketball watch more than just the finals as well as remember more than just the final..but i see your point

Right on, brother...

I agree that some watch other games and other teams. So having a more meticulous outlook on players based on watching for years shouldn't be frowned on in my opinion.

Again, this is my opinion. I reserve the RIGHT to be a Bulls fan, who has paid hard earned money over the years and have been loyal to them above all for a quarter of a century...and yet be a fan of other players. I am not going to point out the hypocrisy of people who call me a Lebron fan and a Heat fan and say that I can't be a Lebron fan (which I'm not) and a Bulls fan simultaneously...and then shout out Wade.

The same guy who lambasted the Bulls organization with untruths trying to sabotage their hopes in free agency. The same guy who strung the Bulls along, in my opinion, knowing he was re-signing with Miami. Lebron listened to the Bulls whether it was done with honest intent or with due process...he did listen. Wade played games.

I am NOT a Wade fan...I don't have to put him down or question his character continuously. He seems to be a good person and a good father. But I don't want him to succeed...and you know what? I felt that way 5 years ago when the Heat and the Bulls played in the playoffs. I have felt that way about him for a while.

So why should I listen to a fanboy tell me who I am a fan of, when he is breaking his own rules. I don't give a damn if you are from Chicago or not...Isiah, Hardaway, Wade, hell, Terry Cummings...I don't give a damn. I am a Bulls fan, and NOT a fan of any of those guys on the court. Isiah and Wade are great, great players. I wanted Isiah to lose...and I want Wade to lose...period. Is that complex to some? Being a fan means you support the team. Doesn't make you an idiot. Those are fanboys. I am not them. I don't have a warped view of the league and the players and I don't have an attitude that the Bulls players are always right and everyone else is wrong...sue me.

 

[houheffna]

I'm wondering if the tears and expensive kleenix bill caused buy the Bullys was the main motivation for Miami in the conference finals....Revenge for getting embaressed in the regular season..

I don't quite get what you are saying...

 

[houheffna]

the pressure the Bulls were feeling combined with their injuries they were undergoing... and the process of learning to play together for the first time in the playoffs... that must have been harder than what pressure MIA was feeling to not lose.

You think Chicago felt more pressure than Miami??? Hell NO! Not even close...

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Not as Special person as calling him a Bulls fan.

Exactly who are you to question anybody's fanhood? You saw every home game in 1994....who gives a turkey?

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Do you actively cheerlead for lebron the way he does? No. You state your opinion and leave it at that. He goes beyond that and if you don't see it, then I don't know what to say.

Take the MVP "debate", he was all on lebronze's nuts telling us how great he is and why he deserves the MVP over Rose. He never once made a case for Rose. He also acts like his opinion is gospel, so whatever we have to say is irrelevant in such matters. I mean he started a thread telling us to face facts and went on to give his opinions on the MVP, as if his opinion is fact.

Perish the thought that somebody would take another player over Jesus Rose.

 

[nwfisch]

 

[Glide2keva]

Perish the thought that somebody would take another player over Jesus Rose.

So, I'm wrong for supporting the Bulls and their best player?

But he's not wrong for cheerleading for lebron and telling us to be objective after a tough series loss?

If you say so.

BTW it was every home game from the last home game in 93 (Game 5 NBA Finals) to the last home game in 96. Don't be hating.

Anyway, I don't have a beef with you, but your boy doesn't need anyone to defend him.

 

[Glide2keva]

I've seen that pic before.

 

[houheffna]

Perish the thought that somebody would take another player over Jesus Rose.

Maybe if I said Wade was MVP he would have appreciated that....lol

 

[nwfisch]

Hou you going to do another podcast soon?

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

So, I'm wrong for supporting the Bulls and their best player?

But he's not wrong for cheerleading for lebron and telling us to be objective after a tough series loss?

If you say so.

BTW it was every home game from the last home game in 93 (Game 5 NBA Finals) to the last home game in 96. Don't be hating.

Anyway, I don't have a beef with you, but your boy doesn't need anyone to defend him.

i dont think you're quite understanding the point he's trying to make

you criticize lebron for not playing well in certain parts of the playoffs when he was with cleveland and now miami

but rose has had,like it or not, similar games and has been in similar scenarios....nor has he even been to the finals...in fact in a sense lebron pretty much one upped him this year in the ECF

should that dictate what players you do or do not like? absolutely not..that's not the point

but im just sayin

 

[houheffna]

Hou you going to do another podcast soon?

Tonight and later this week...will do two podcasts. All NFL stuff...one with E.J. and I and another with Lester Wiltfong and I talking.

Thanks for asking.

 

[houheffna]

i dont think you're quite understanding the point he's trying to make

you criticize lebron for not playing well in certain parts of the playoffs when he was with cleveland and now miami

but rose has had,like it or not, similar games and has been in similar scenarios....nor has he even been to the finals...in fact in a sense lebron pretty much one upped him this year in the ECF

should that dictate what players you do or do not like? absolutely not..that's not the point

but im just sayin

Exactly...and that is where the objectivity comes in...just the mere observation you just made right here. I WANTED Rose to succeed. I wanted him to dominate the Heat, but I knew that was unlikely and that is why I said the Heat would win in 6.

If I was a Heat fan or a Lebron fan, everyone would know it...I was a Lebron fan last summer when he was a free agent...I disagreed with his tactics, but I remain a fan of his talent, which is the main reason I wanted him on the Bulls. I ridiculed him for his failure in the finals and even his comments afterwards just as I have called out Rose for everything on the court to the incident where he didn't show up for a sitcom appearance.

Across the board I criticize people in the league. I don't care who they play for. That is objectivity...and also its maturity. Plain and simple.

 

[Glide2keva]

i dont think you're quite understanding the point he's trying to make

you criticize lebron for not playing well in certain parts of the playoffs when he was with cleveland and now miami

but rose has had,like it or not, similar games and has been in similar scenarios....nor has he even been to the finals...in fact in a sense lebron pretty much one upped him this year in the ECF

should that dictate what players you do or do not like? absolutely not..that's not the point

but im just sayin

Point. I'm a Bulls fan, so yes my posts will be pro Bulls most of the time. There are enough Bulls detractors, even in their own fan base that I don't feel the need to dump on them and add to it.

I never liked lebron, that was even before he stepped on the NBA floor. He got way too much hype for my liking even as a junior. I really dislike all the praise heaped on the guy when he hasn't won anything yet.

The difference between Rose and lebron is Rose is in his 3rd season and lebron his 8th.

lebron came in with the assumption that by now, he would have at least one or two titles, Rose didn't come in with anywhere near that much hype. The only similarity between the two is that they both went #1 by their home town teams. That's where it ends. lebron is a cocky ****** with legions of dumb idiotic (worse than kobe fans) fans hanging from his short and curlies, while Rose is the exact opposite.

I have very specific reason why I'm a fan of certain players outside of the Bulls or my other teams. I feel other people just like to front run and side with popular opinion like a bunch of followers. I feel there are posters on this site that fit that mold.

 

[DCguy]

You guys should be just as disgusted with someone attacking someone's basketball knowledge as you are with someone questioning someone's fanhood.......

 

[Glide2keva]

I'm tired of this debate.

Things didn't go the Bulls way and they lost. I feel healthy team vs. healthy team, the Bulls win the series, maybe in 6 game, but most likely in 7.

That didn't happen, so lets hope they improve when the season comes back. Then, we can see how these teams stack up against each other again.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Point. I'm a Bulls fan, so yes my posts will be pro Bulls most of the time. There are enough Bulls detractors, even in their own fan base that I don't feel the need to dump on them and add to it.

no one is questioning your fanhood here...atleast im not

I never liked lebron, that was even before he stepped on the NBA floor. He got way too much hype for my liking even as a junior. I really dislike all the praise heaped on the guy when he hasn't won anything yet.

the hype comes with being THAT good in high school and having the abilities and size he had..he could have been on an nba roster as a sophomore...now i do think he could have worked harder to improve his game even further...i.e. learn how to make some post moves that will help him when he starts aging a bit...

but lebron is not even close to the first high schooler to get significant hype..lebron probably got the most, but looking from his career so far...quite a bit of it seems warranted...

The difference between Rose and lebron is Rose is in his 3rd season and lebron his 8th.

i had no idea

yes, the verdict is still on rose because he is still entering the height of his career..but same with lebron..he is only 26 and now has a year under his belt with miami learning his role

but at this point, rose has been the equivalent of lebron in cleveland with a better supporting cast...

but im talking about what rose has accomplished up to now..since that seems to be the focus of your knock of lebron

lebron came in with the assumption that by now, he would have at least one or two titles,

are you sure about this?

Rose didn't come in with anywhere near that much hype.

rose had a pretty big amount of hype...he was one of the best players in one of the best high classes in the last decade...i remember when he was at simeon he single handedly beat oak hill(who had nolan smith and brandon jennings in the backcourt btw)..like seriously he carried the team..rose had some sick talent

The only similarity between the two is that they both went #1 by their home town teams. That's where it ends. lebron is a cocky ****** with legions of dumb idiotic (worse than kobe fans) fans hanging from his short and curlies, while Rose is the exact opposite.

derrick rose had a bit of hype when you think in regards to being in chicago and bringing the bulls back to jordan heights

lebron probably had more hype, as well as being in arguably worse situation in cleveland(relatively small market,not much overall franchise success)...

i mean lebron pretty much was cleveland when he was there...he made the cavs watchable, he had a huge influence on cleveland's revenue..thing is he never got a terrible amount of help down there...so for leaving cleveland i dont necessarily blame him too much..though it would have been nice had he stayed

again to me and many,and you as well, the way lebron handled the whole situation last summer was awful and that was what pissed people off rather than the move to miami itself, it seemed pretty immature and attention whore like....yes lebron is a bit of ******....although i still hold him in higher regard than a rapist(kobe,big ben,etc.) or a cheater(woods) or someone who committed a felony of some sort

im not trying to openly defend lebron here, im pretty indifferent to him atleast now, but just pointing out some things

i think we all do this(i still am guilty of this),but i think in some aspects if a player deserves credit even if they are a bit of a ******, i think its appropiate to give them that credit, doesnt mean you have to like that player

its a suggestion..im not forcing you to do anything..and i also know you have legitimate reasons for your opinions

btw rose may be a little more respectable in some regards, but he is far from perfect, considering what he did to get into memphis...doesnt mean,however,i dont respect him as a person or think he is dirty or anything..but again pointing out something

I have very specific reason why I'm a fan of certain players outside of the Bulls or my other teams. I feel other people just like to front run and side with popular opinion like a bunch of followers. I feel there are posters on this site that fit that mold.

i agree with the direction of this...in that you should have your opinion..but i dont feel the need to criticize someone if they are contributing to the topic, even if it is cliche at times, i may constructively criticize if i disagree,but im not a big fan of animosity(just in general not necessarily a jab at you)

i do dislike when someone contributes NOTHING but jokes or off topic shit(jokes are fine in moderation on some threads..but if you dont contribute your opinion at all to the topic..it becomes spam)

 

[houheffna]

You guys should be just as disgusted with someone attacking someone's basketball knowledge as you are with someone questioning someone's fanhood.......

I'm disgusted by neither..."you are not a Bulls fan" is a cop out people with no basketball knowledge will use when it suits them. If I don't kiss Rose's ass contiuously without taking a breath, I am not a Bulls fan.

In the late 1980's, would it have been wrong for a Bulls fan to think that Isiah was a great player? In the 1990's, I couldn't think Ewing, Barkley, Mourning...were great players? Because they were Bulls rivals? Yet folk ADORE Rodman, who was as dirty as anyone when he played the Bulls. I still dislike Mourning for the cheap shot on Pippen. If someone else thinks Mourning is an alltime great...so what? They are not Bulls fans? That is a bunch of nonsense.

Being a Bulls fan doesn't mean you have to lack perspective.

I enjoy the league....and by the way, off topic, but when do we begin to blame a player for hype he didn't generate? Lebron had no money to fund a hype campaign. The hype found him. Quit hating. He HAS lived up to the hype, and made money from it...who here wouldn't have done the same thing?

 

[97Bulls]

i dont think you're quite understanding the point he's trying to make

you criticize lebron for not playing well in certain parts of the playoffs when he was with cleveland and now miami

but rose has had,like it or not, similar games and has been in similar scenarios....nor has he even been to the finals...in fact in a sense lebron pretty much one upped him this year in the ECF

should that dictate what players you do or do not like? absolutely not..that's not the point

but im just sayin

I don't think rose and james can be compared fairly. Lest see how well rose does in the playoffs after 8 years like james has had. And with the best team record wise to boot the last few years.

 

[97Bulls]

I'm disgusted by neither..."you are not a Bulls fan" is a cop out people with no basketball knowledge will use when it suits them. If I don't kiss Rose's ass contiuously without taking a breath, I am not a Bulls fan.

In the late 1980's, would it have been wrong for a Bulls fan to think that Isiah was a great player? In the 1990's, I couldn't think Ewing, Barkley, Mourning...were great players? Because they were Bulls rivals? Yet folk ADORE Rodman, who was as dirty as anyone when he played the Bulls. I still dislike Mourning for the cheap shot on Pippen. If someone else thinks Mourning is an alltime great...so what? They are not Bulls fans? That is a bunch of nonsense.

Being a Bulls fan doesn't mean you have to lack perspective.

I enjoy the league....and by the way, off topic, but when do we begin to blame a player for hype he didn't generate? Lebron had no money to fund a hype campaign. The hype found him. Quit hating. He HAS lived up to the hype, and made money from it...who here wouldn't have done the same thing?

Id say lebron had a big hand in his own hype. The "decision", he proclaims himself the "king", hell half his body is a testatment to how great he believes he is. Go "check his stats". He feels he spoiled his fans with his play, I'm sure there's more stuff. This is just off the top.