What's with the bias?

[Xplosive]

“Why is a football quarterback called a quarterback? It's simple geometry. The quarterback, halfback, and fullback are positioned at the back of the offensive line. Their different names refer to their positions relative to the offensive line: A quarter of the way back, half of the way back, and all the way back.”

Whoa. Ain’t that just sumptin

So under center a QB should only pass and in shotgun the QB is actually a HB and should only run. Got it

 

[Xplosive]

It definitely is a factor in quarterback evaluation, but there is no equation or formula. It's totally subjective, and based on the philosophy of Poles and staff. Not only don't we know what they are thinking, they might not even have made up their mind yet. Although the conversations here on CCS are indicative of the variety of viewpoints, basically it means nothing to the outcome.

I am probably one of the very few here that are okay with all of the possible QB options. I just want another pass rusher, sign JJ and add one potential future star to the defense.

I'm also ok with whatever Poles decides, but I find the arguments about stats that constantly downplay running yards, very biased. If your QB runs for 900 and throws for 3100, why is that bad but throwing for 4000 alone is good??

I need that to make sense

 

[Toast88]

There’s nothing wrong with running quarterbacks, but if they’re not also good at passing, defenses are going to be able to hem them in and limit them on the one thing they’re good at.

This is exactly what has happened to Fields and is proof that you’re not winning anything meaningful with him. The better teams, the better defenses, and the better coaches can pretty easily cut off his legs and turn him into a sub-par QB, because he’s a sub-par passer.

This is why he’s the worst 4th quarter QB in the league. This is why it won’t work out with him.

 

[Xplosive]

Nobody is jumping to conclusions. We're looking at his overall body of work across a 3 year span. He has his own deficiencies outside of coaching that have been apart of his game since college. How anyone can look at Fields body of work and powned the table for him is astonishing. You could make a sensible argument to keep him, but You have to acknowledge you very well could be looking at at a player with a bottom half of the NFL ceiling as a passer. On top missing games every single season. It's a red flag.

38 games started in which he played on a team with horrible offensive and defensive talent. I didn't hear anyone complaining about Justin in college, only during the draft and none of it had anything to do with his performance on the field, so I'm not sure what deficiencies you mean

As a pro, he has held on to the ball too long and taken too many sacks. This season he definitely was getting rid of the ball much quicker but still too many sacks. Considering the guy is only 24, and the quality of playmakers and coaching he has dealt with, I see no reason for anyone to assume he is a finished product and we MUST move on.

As for injuries, Jaylon is hurt every year, so is Teven. Fields injuries are a concern as well so maybe OLine that doesn't get immediately pushed back into his lap should be more of a priority, instead of a second thought.

 

[Dstone5553]

2023 Fields was projected to pass for 3,350 yds and rush for 860 yds which is 4,210 total yards over 17 games, 26 TDs (combined) & 12 INTs.

I believe a healthy Fields can be a 5K total yard QB with added weapons and new play caller, so what's with all the bias??

I think you made one of the points. Running as much as Fields does, they will probably have to use the word "projected" in every one of his seasons.

 

[Xplosive]

There’s nothing wrong with running quarterbacks, but if they’re not also good at passing, defenses are going to be able to hem them in and limit them on the one thing they’re good at.

This is exactly what has happened to Fields and is proof that you’re not winning anything meaningful with him. The better teams, the better defenses, and the better coaches can pretty easily cut off his legs and turn him into a sub-par QB, because he’s a sub-par passer.

This is why he’s the worst 4th quarter QB in the league. This is why it won’t work out with him.

Do most QBs have better passing stats when their team is losing in the 4th quarter, than they do earlier in the game? I think when you have only one receiver the better defenses and coaches are able to take that away in the fourth quarter.

 

[Myk]

They have to try to get an elite QB. I think Caleb has a better chance at becoming that than Justin does.

Draft Williams and one of Nabers/Bowers/Brian Thomas.

If they get a 2nd in a Fields trade, draft Graham Barton if he falls to round 2. He’s awesome and can play anywhere on the OL. He has experience playing C. Also sign a C in FA.

That would be my plan. A good start to a plan, at the very least.

Then you should've joined me saying to get an offense for our shiny new QB 3 years ago, 7 years ago or 15 years ago.
Then we would've been ready to have an elite QB. Now all we're ready for is to give a potentially elite QB needless injuries and teach him bad habits so he won't be elite.

There are ways to make it work but why should I believe this time will be any different than the 48 times before?
Bears will get a QB and then turn all their focus to defense and wonder why that "elite" QB isn't all they needed on offense.
This cannot be accidental. This is a culture problem and the only constant is the McCaskeys.

Definitely need a FAC but again why should I expect anything different? This GM told us how great at C Whitehair was so he could ignore a very heavily stacked C draft to again focus on defense.

Until we get an offense I see Williams as a lateral. So I don't care either way on the QB. But get a freakin offense for the QB already!

 

[Wild_x_Card]

38 games started in which he played on a team with horrible offensive and defensive talent. I didn't hear anyone complaining about Justin in college, only during the draft and none of it had anything to do with his performance on the field, so I'm not sure what deficiencies you mean

As a pro, he has held on to the ball too long and taken too many sacks. This season he definitely was getting rid of the ball much quicker but still too many sacks. Considering the guy is only 24, and the quality of playmakers and coaching he has dealt with, I see no reason for anyone to assume he is a finished product and we MUST move on.

As for injuries, Jaylon is hurt every year, so is Teven. Fields injuries are a concern as well so maybe OLine that doesn't get immediately pushed back into his lap should be more of a priority, instead of a second thought.

I've already broke down his deficiencies, I'm not going to keep repeating myself on here. they are real and were real in college. The latter is not some original take. But I seen it then and still see it now. The number one priority for a QB above all is availably. The play in which he got hurt this year was his own doing. He had the ball in his hands for 6 seconds. His drop backs are lazy at times, he can be way too methodical going through his progressions and he absolutely does not like throwing first level in breaking routes. Slants, square ins etc. trust and a bit of anticipation are required and he hesitates to pull the trigger and comes off open reads, this is also backed up by the passing charts. On top of all that his 4th quarter numbers across his career are terrifying.

He needs a lot of work to go from bottom 3rd to top 3rd and I don't know if it's possible. I expect him to improve but not take the big time leap he needs to make to be a premier passer in the NFL. He's a definite starter but not one I would bank on to carry a team to a championship.

 

[DavidH]

if Trevor Lawrence was in this draft Caleb would not be the #1 pick.

There are plenty of people who would disagree with that.

 

[HeHateMe]

Fridge OK player? Little disrespectful to Kmet. He’s better than

Not really. But maybe he can be coached up about his many issues in the passing game.

Funny he gets way more time to develop than Fields but whatever

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Because rushing yards are hard to come by with a QB in a situation where you need to pass to win aka the end of games and when coming back

Can you explain how Purdy came back while he was running a bunch?

If he doesn't run, the Lions are in the Super Bowl.

 

[Bust]

Apparently If your QB passes for 4,000 yards he is a franchise QB but if he passes for 3100 + runs for 900 he is terrible and should be replaced??

There are so many that want to move on from Fields based on stats, I'd like to know why the yards gained rushing are constantly disregarded, and how many yards passing equates to "franchise" QB?

2023 Fields was projected to pass for 3,350 yds and rush for 860 yds which is 4,210 total yards over 17 games, 26 TDs (combined) & 12 INTs.

I believe a healthy Fields can be a 5K total yard QB with added weapons and new play caller, so what's with all the bias??

The next phase in Fields development is to not become a liability in the 4th quarter.

These are brutal stats. If this continues the Bears are better off bringing Bagent in to finish games like a closer does in baseball, lol

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Fields ranks last in passer rating (22.1) while trailing with less than four minutes to go. Trevor Siemian (43.5) and Zach Wilson (45.7) are the next two on the list. If you stretch those stats out to the entire fourth quarter, Fields ranks 51st in quarterback rating out of 58 quarterbacks who have thrown at least 20 passes in the fourth quarter this season.

In the fourth quarter this season, Fields is 41-for-80 for 463 yards, three touchdowns, and six interceptions. He has been sacked eight times. That 51.3 completion percentage ranks 52nd, while the six interceptions are tied for the most by any quarterback.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Can you explain how Purdy came back while he was running a bunch?

If he doesn't run, the Lions are in the Super Bowl.

Yeah, easy.

13 of his 16 attempts for 174 yards, one touchdown and a 132.8 passer rating in the 2nd half

 

[Spitta Andretti]

38 games started in which he played on a team with horrible offensive and defensive talent. I didn't hear anyone complaining about Justin in college, only during the draft and none of it had anything to do with his performance on the field, so I'm not sure what deficiencies you mean

As a pro, he has held on to the ball too long and taken too many sacks. This season he definitely was getting rid of the ball much quicker but still too many sacks. Considering the guy is only 24, and the quality of playmakers and coaching he has dealt with, I see no reason for anyone to assume he is a finished product and we MUST move on.

As for injuries, Jaylon is hurt every year, so is Teven. Fields injuries are a concern as well so maybe OLine that doesn't get immediately pushed back into his lap should be more of a priority, instead of a second thought.

Just because you didn't know about his weaknesses coming out of the draft doesn't mean they weren't there. Look at any draft profile before and it will say the exact same things he struggles with now

That's why he fell to us in the draft in the first place

 

[CaliBearFan]

Inconsistency - not reliable- seems to check out

Maybe he has had bad coaching in the NFL. It's a big gamble to assume these issues will go away. I understand betting on the person to a point but it's been 3 years. From an outside perspective, he's magical, but not reliable as of yet and I would move on unless I was convinced he could work with a good OC. Unlikely.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Remember when you said you were non bias and now you’re just black rainbow with mod abilities?

MOD FIGHT!

 

[DanielCCSBears]

I mean I’m really not trying to defend him. He certainly had issues. But I doubt he is as bad as Bears fans think.

It's more about the Jimmy's and Joe's than the Xs and Os.

There's only so much innovation a play caller can bring to the NFL at this point.

 

[Bearly]

Yes, what is up with your pro Fields bias?
This is how I feel about it in a nutshell.

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Love the guy but I'm not passing on Caleb.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Deflecting reason in an attempt to hold on to your bias I see.

Justin played 12.5 games this season and people want to jump to conclusions that he isn't the long term solution. It's pretty common practice to project a players stats over a full season which is what I presented. It's pretty reasonable to expect at least 4,000 total yards from him next year so why isn't that good enough for you?

It's not good enough for me because

Cairo Santos was third in the NFL with 35 field goals made signifying that those yards did not equate to touchdowns. More touchdowns means more points which equals more wins.

 

[iueyedoc]

Deflecting reason in an attempt to hold on to your bias I see.

Justin played 12.5 games this season and people want to jump to conclusions that he isn't the long term solution. It's pretty common practice to project a players stats over a full season which is what I presented. It's pretty reasonable to expect at least 4,000 total yards from him next year so why isn't that good enough for you?

You know when you don't have to project season stats? When a guy stays healthy enough to play an entire season. It is much more reasonable to expect another games missed injury and 2500 yards passing.