Where do the Cubs Stand in the Division (Category Break-down)

[waldo7239117]

Chapman will be a set-up man, if not already. I think he is. I still think Yadier Molina is ahead Soto. The Cardinals relief struggle at times last year, more than in recent years.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Also add that you have to understand UZR and all sabre metrics and how to combine all stats to evaluate players, not like CO where he cherry picks specific pos stats on his favorite cub players to make his point.

Ask Lefty for specific info on UZR since he is got sabre stats on lock down and knows how to use sabre and evaluations the correct way, as he has shown in every single arguement with CO.

I evaluate a little bit different than lefty but usually come to the same conclusion on a player.

So now UZR is a POS stat? Cool.

you have to go in depth and evaluate the defensive player(s) position by a combo of stats, Fangraphs has a ton of specific stats as well as standard stats to come to a conclusion, to use UZR based soley on a supposed "zone" by itself to judge defense is insane.

Okay, here are your stats for you.

rARM, which is number of outfield arms runs saved: 5 years: 34(next is Willingham with 16) 4 years: 24(Willingham again in 2nd with 12) 3 years: 7(2nd to only Crawford and Ibanez who have 8). Pretty freakin' great.

rPM, which is plus or minus the number of runs saved: 3 years: - 10. Which may seem bad, but it's 4th best. 4 years: -11(again 4th). 5 years: 0(3rd best, behind Holliday and Carl.) While these numbers aren't great, they aren't bad. Which is the point I'm trying to get across to you.

DRS, or defensive runs saved. Over 5 years, he is 2nd to only Crawford. 4 years, 3rd to Holliday and Crawford. Same for 3 years.

RZR, revised zone rating, he is in the middle of the pack for each of the 3 year increments I am using.

TZL, total zone with location, is basically another form of UZR. 5 years: Soriano was great with a 23.6 TZL, 2nd to only Mr. Crawford. 4 years: 3rd to Carl and Holliday, with a 2.3, which is still considered average. 3 years: -2.6, which is still average, but it was good enough for 2nd.

TZ, total zone without location has Soriano in the top 3 year each time, too.

So tell me, Dewey, what is it that Soriano is doing wrong?

 

[DewsSox79]

Funny how many 'experts' use worthless stats in analasis and broadcasting.

At least Len Kasper uses OPS which isn't perfect but its damn sure better than BA and most other traditional stats.

Anyway, so dewey are you saying you put zero stock in UZR?

so true on so many levels.

i dont use it by itself, i will look at if for reference to see what the calculations look like, but so many times UZR has been a huge fail alone with many players.

 

[DewsSox79]

So now UZR is a POS stat? Cool.


Okay, here are your stats for you.

rARM, which is number of outfield arms runs saved: 5 years: 34(next is Willingham with 16) 4 years: 24(Willingham again in 2nd with 12) 3 years: 7(2nd to only Crawford and Ibanez who have 8). Pretty freakin' great.

rPM, which is plus or minus the number of runs saved: 3 years: - 10. Which may seem bad, but it's 4th best. 4 years: -11(again 4th). 5 years: 0(3rd best, behind Holliday and Carl.) While these numbers aren't great, they aren't bad. Which is the point I'm trying to get across to you.

DRS, or defensive runs saved. Over 5 years, he is 2nd to only Crawford. 4 years, 3rd to Holliday and Crawford. Same for 3 years.

RZR, revised zone rating, he is in the middle of the pack for each of the 3 year increments I am using.

TZL, total zone with location, is basically another form of UZR. 5 years: Soriano was great with a 23.6 TZL, 2nd to only Mr. Crawford. 4 years: 3rd to Carl and Holliday, with a 2.3, which is still considered average. 3 years: -2.6, which is still average, but it was good enough for 2nd.

TZ, total zone without location has Soriano in the top 3 year each time, too.

So tell me, Dewey, what is it that Soriano is doing wrong?

Once again you are missing the boat and reaching for things that do not exist. stop with the homerism, you do this everytime with all cubs players like they cannot do anything wrong. it is obsurd to say the soriano is a good outfielder. Now we are using TZL? stop.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Once again you are missing the boat and reaching for things that do not exist. stop with the homerism, you do this everytime with all cubs players like they cannot do anything wrong. it is obsurd to say the soriano is a good outfielder. Now we are using TZL? stop.

Dewey,

How can you possibly say that these stats don't exist?

How is it Absurd to say he is a good LEFT fielder?

Yes, I used TZL. You have yet to use any stat. None.

 

[DewsSox79]

Dewey,

How can you possibly say that these stats don't exist?

How is it Absurd to say he is a good LEFT fielder?

Yes, I used TZL. You have yet to use any stat. None.

stop embarrasing yourself. please. for the sanity of others please.

 

[Captain Obvious]

stop embarrasing yourself. please. for the sanity of others please.

So I am embarrassing myself, because I have presented stat after fucking stat and you have presented nothing? How is that making me an embarrassment?

Dewey, all I ask is that you post something. Is that too much to ask? Really?

 

[DewsSox79]

He's always been good.

No. Do you even watch the cubs?

I have yet to see anything telling me why Soriano sucks.

In your eyes the cubs can do no wrong, not one player on the roster besides dewitt do you critize, you base all your opinions on something that you have no idea how to translate. but keep talking, keep trying to be the attention getter on this site, it wont get you very far.

ps- 1 more joehawks family comment you are gone....forgot to tell ya that.

 

[DewsSox79]

So I am embarrassing myself, because I have presented stat after fucking stat and you have presented nothing? How is that making me an embarrassment?

Dewey, all I ask is that you post something. Is that too much to ask? Really?

I dont have to post any "unreliable stat(s)" to tell you that soriano is not a good fielder.

 

[Jntg4]

No. Do you even watch the cubs?

He's probably too busy with play practice and stuff. So he uses certain stats more than his own eyes because he gets little chance to see them. Just a hypothesis.

 

[tbo41fan]

I use the eye test...

I see him being a terrible outfielder when I watch the cubs

taking terrible routes to balls for example

 

[Captain Obvious]

No. Do you even watch the cubs?





In your eyes the cubs can do no wrong, not one player on the roster besides dewitt do you critize, you base all your opinions on something that you have no idea how to translate. but keep talking, keep trying to be the attention getter on this site, it wont get you very far.

ps- 1 more joehawks family comment you are gone....forgot to tell ya that.

You're right Dewey, we should base everything off of what our eyes tell us. Eyes are deceiving, y'know? Your eyes are more than likely wrong, when stats tell us other wise.

Yes, in my eyes, the Cubs do no wrong. That's why we win the world series every year. Right. I'm sorry that I don't think the Cubs are the worst team in the world. We got a lot of bad luck last year, but I don't think we are that far away from competing. We got rid of our old bastard of a manager, who really fucked us over big time. All we need is for a little bit of luck and we can win the central. You act like we're in the AL East. You also act like Jim Hendry is the worst GM in the history of the world. Everyone here does. Look at his bad deals vs. his good ones. He has like 4 bad deals and about 25 good ones.

You can call me an attention getter all you want. But you have still yet to post any facts.

P.S. - I don't give a shit.

 

[Captain Obvious]

I dont have to post any "unreliable stat(s)" to tell you that soriano is not a good fielder.

Dewey,

I have just posted like 6 stats that say he is. And you are using the eye test. The human eye is deceiving. You say this after you said that you use several stats to evaluate a player. I JUST FUCKING DID.

 

[Captain Obvious]

I use the eye test...

I see him being a terrible outfielder when I watch the cubs

taking terrible routes to balls for example

He gets to them though, doesn't he? Route running is so overrated. As long as he gets to it, it shouldn't matter. He only missed 13 balls in his zone this year. That's pretty damn good.

 

[DewsSox79]

You're right Dewey, we should base everything off of what our eyes tell us. Eyes are deceiving, y'know? Your eyes are more than likely wrong, when stats tell us other wise.

Yes, in my eyes, the Cubs do no wrong. That's why we win the world series every year. Right. I'm sorry that I don't think the Cubs are the worst team in the world. We got a lot of bad luck last year, but I don't think we are that far away from competing. We got rid of our old bastard of a manager, who really fucked us over big time. All we need is for a little bit of luck and we can win the central. You act like we're in the AL East. You also act like Jim Hendry is the worst GM in the history of the world. Everyone here does. Look at his bad deals vs. his good ones. He has like 4 bad deals and about 25 good ones.

You can call me an attention getter all you want. But you have still yet to post any facts.

P.S. - I don't give a shit.

Ok, now we are changing the subject to lou pinella, the great GM Jim Hendry, and how you are going to compete in the central next year because it isnt the NL East.

my ZERO facts are as good as your unreliable, unknowledgeable use of UZR in combination with the fact that you do not watch cub games. keep telling yourself he is a good outfielder.

 

[DewsSox79]

He gets to them though, doesn't he? Route running is so overrated. As long as he gets to it, it shouldn't matter. He only missed 13 balls in his zone this year. That's pretty damn good.

supposed "zone" is the correct way to look at that.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Ok, now we are changing the subject to lou pinella, the great GM Jim Hendry, and how you are going to compete in the central next year because it isnt the NL East.

my ZERO facts are as good as your unreliable, unknowledgeable use of UZR in combination with the fact that you do not watch cub games. keep telling yourself he is a good outfielder.

Oh my fucking god.

How have I misused UZR? I know quite a bit about UZR, actually. Thanks.

Who said that I don't watch Cub games?

I have not once said he is a good OFer. However, he is a good LFer. There is a difference, as LF is where the shitty fielders go to play.

 

[tbo41fan]

Dewey,

I have just posted like 6 stats that say he is. And you are using the eye test. The human eye is deceiving. You say this after you said that you use several stats to evaluate a player. I JUST FUCKING DID.

you use sabre which are so unreliable and Special person to base a player solely on

He gets to them though, doesn't he? Route running is so overrated. As long as he gets to it, it shouldn't matter. He only missed 13 balls in his zone this year. That's pretty damn good.

Seriously?

It's not just flyballs....

He takes terrible routes to line drives and they just skip past him to the ivy.

Singles turn into doubles and triples which turn into runs

 

[AddisonStation]

I'm somewhat with CO on this... The eye test remembers the horribly ugly plays and forgets the plays that were made IMO

 

[Captain Obvious]

you use sabre which are so unreliable and Special person to base a player solely on


Seriously?

It's not just flyballs....

He takes terrible routes to line drives and they just skip past him to the ivy.

Singles turn into doubles and triples which turn into runs

How many times has that happened, then TBO?

Sabre is unreliable. In small sample sizes. The smallest sample size I used was 3 fucking years.