Where do the Cubs Stand in the Division (Category Break-down)

[Captain Obvious]

supposed "zone" is the correct way to look at that.

As opposed to nothing?

 

[DewsSox79]

I'm somewhat with CO on this... The eye test remembers the horribly ugly plays and forgets the plays that were made IMO

I remember the supposed great plays since I watch too much baseball, and those great plays that I recall, werent great, they looked great because he took horrible routes to the ball.

 

[Captain Obvious]

I remember the supposed great plays since I watch too much baseball, and those great plays that I recall, werent great, they looked great because he took horrible routes to the ball.

You remember every play that Soriano made? Fascinating.

 

[tbo41fan]

How many times has that happened, then TBO?

Sabre is unreliable. In small sample sizes. The smallest sample size I used was 3 fucking years.

Sabre is always unreliable.


Take for example, UZR.

It takes into advantage what park you play in....so you can't always tell which ones are good or not because their numbers are scewed on where they play the most.

Who comes up with these park rankings? What do they base them off? It's OPINION, not fact.

Also, UZR according to fangraphs uses this:

DG (defensive games): The number of outs made by an average fielder at his position given the exact distribution of balls in play for that player divided by the number of outs an average player at that position makes per game.

It uses averages which, much like FIP can be influenced by guys with high or low numbers.

 

[AddisonStation]

I remember the supposed great plays since I watch too much baseball, and those great plays that I recall, werent great, they looked great because he took horrible routes to the ball.

I never said anything about great plays.... I just said plays made....

All I'm saying is it is easier to remember sori's botched plays.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Sabre is always unreliable.


Take for example, UZR.

It takes into advantage what park you play in....so you can't always tell which ones are good or not because their numbers are scewed on where they play the most.

Who comes up with these park rankings? What do they base them off? It's OPINION, not fact.

Also, UZR according to fangraphs uses this:


It uses averages which, much like FIP can be influenced by guys with high or low numbers.

Ummm... the fact that it takes into account what park you play in, makes it even for all players.

Okay, so it uses an average. Why is that so bad? It uses an average and Soriano is above that... yet he sucks. That makes a fuckload of sense.

 

[DewsSox79]

I never said anything about great plays.... I just said plays made....

All I'm saying is it is easier to remember sori's botched plays.

I agree with bold.

and my great plays comment was not directed at you personally. you know i love you.

 

[tbo41fan]

Ummm... the fact that it takes into account what park you play in, makes it even for all players.

Okay, so it uses an average. Why is that so bad? It uses an average and Soriano is above that... yet he sucks. That makes a fuckload of sense.

you didnt answer my question...

Who comes up with these park rankings? How do they come up with them?


Averages are skewed by people with high or low numbers.
If an OF has twice as many outs as Soriano, the average will be higher, thus skewing soriano's stats

 

[AddisonStation]

I agree with bold.

and my great plays comment was not directed at you personally. you know i love you.

Well duh

 

[Captain Obvious]

you didnt answer my question...

Who comes up with these park rankings? How do they come up with them?


Averages are skewed by people with high or low numbers.
If an OF has twice as many outs as Soriano, the average will be higher, thus skewing soriano's stats

Here.

UZR is not perfect, however, it is the best that we have right now.

 

[DewsSox79]

Once again another thread goes off topic. a simple thread about positions goes into a "defend-a-cub"

 

[Captain Obvious]

Once again another thread goes off topic. a simple thread about positions goes into a "defend-a-cub"

Big deal. Who cares? We're having baseball conversations, why does it matter?

 

[tbo41fan]

No, no it's not.

That guy uses so many things that are affected by people OTHER THAN THE ACTUAL PERSON WE ARE DISCUSSING.

I'd rather watch Soriano play and see what he does rather than get a number based off what mph the wind was and how many hotdogs were sold in his "zone" of the park or whatever random stuff he uses

 

[derosabomb]

cubies r da bezt teamz.

stfu an getzz outz if uz dot tink so

 

[Captain Obvious]

No, no it's not.

That guy uses so many things that are affected by people OTHER THAN THE ACTUAL PERSON WE ARE DISCUSSING.

I'd rather watch Soriano play and see what he does rather than get a number based off what mph the wind was and how many hotdogs were sold in his "zone" of the park or whatever random stuff he uses

That's fine, you can do that. However, to completely refute saber metrics is frivolous. It's not 1960, we're advancing in the world. Soriano is a good LFer, if you want to close your eyes and say nanananananananaana and pretend it isn't true, you can. Be my guest.

 

[DewsSox79]

cubies r da bezt teamz.

stfu an getzz outz if uz dot tink so

:classic:

 

[DewsSox79]

That's fine, you can do that. However, to completely refute saber metrics is frivolous. It's not 1960, we're advancing in the world. Soriano is a good LFer, if you want to close your eyes and say nanananananananaana and pretend it isn't true, you can. Be my guest.

so sig worthy! thank you!

 

[tbo41fan]

That's fine, you can do that. However, to completely refute saber metrics is frivolous. It's not 1960, we're advancing in the world. Soriano is a good LFer, if you want to close your eyes and say nanananananananaana and pretend it isn't true, you can. Be my guest.

Good god....


All I can say is

so sig worthy! thank you!

:lmao:

 

[derosabomb]

soriano would probably play better on his knees in LF. dude kinda sucks out there.

 

[Captain Obvious]

So because all the stats point to him being a good LFer and your eyes say no, that makes him bad? What else do you have besides this see-say?