Where do you rank Jon Lester among SP

[DewsSox79]

It is funny, Boo. But, I feel bad. I know people like that have problems during the holidays. But, hey, what do I know. Im not a baseball fantasy champ this past season.

Fantasy baseball champ on your resume? I guess we should just listen to you now right?


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[SilenceS]

Fantasy baseball champ on your resume? I guess we should just listen to you now right?


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Nope, thats what the other guy told us makes him know more then us. Oh Dews, shouldnt you be happy that both Chicago teams have a shot at being something next year? You trolling mofo.

 

[Boobaby1]

Nope, thats what the other guy told us makes him know more then us. Oh Dews, shouldnt you be happy that both Chicago teams have a shot at being something next year? You trolling mofo.

It is comical. I can't believe that a pre-requisite to becoming a good GM is to win your local fantasy league.

I just won in football this year.

Hey! Chicago Bears! Here I come to save the dayyyyyyy. :lmao:

 

[ijustposthere]

Since he's a Cub now, #1.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Lester is not an elite starting pitcher, and never has been. He would be a good #2 starter, though. The Cubs don't have enough depth on that team to make much use of Lester at this point. I doubt he makes much of a difference for them next year.

 

[JimJohnson]

Lester is not an elite starting pitcher, and never has been. He would be a good #2 starter, though. The Cubs don't have enough depth on that team to make much use of Lester at this point. I doubt he makes much of a difference for them next year.

LOL

 

[SilenceS]

Lester is not an elite starting pitcher, and never has been. He would be a good #2 starter, though. The Cubs don't have enough depth on that team to make much use of Lester at this point. I doubt he makes much of a difference for them next year.

So, shark won't make a difference for yall right?


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[CSF77]

I was going to leave that post alone but even .500 is worth investing into. I believe .500 is their floor now vs their ceiling pre signing.

 

[DewsSox79]

LOL

Why are you "lol" ing his post? You did say you didn't want Lester because of 1 playoff game amirite?


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[DewsSox79]

I was going to leave that post alone but even .500 is worth investing into. I believe .500 is their floor now vs their ceiling pre signing.

There is still no way one can say for certain what the Cubs will be in 15. Could they compete? Sure. Contend? Too many unknowns no matter how awesome the specs are ranked in the system. Lester is an ace on the Cubs no doubt but after that arrieta is still unknown and the rotation really is weak. It's exciting for Cubs fans to have Lester but they need more.


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[JimJohnson]

Why are you "lol" ing his post? You did say you didn't want Lester because of 1 playoff game amirite?


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How old are you?

 

[CSF77]

There is still no way one can say for certain what the Cubs will be in 15. Could they compete? Sure. Contend? Too many unknowns no matter how awesome the specs are ranked in the system. Lester is an ace on the Cubs no doubt but after that arrieta is still unknown and the rotation really is weak. It's exciting for Cubs fans to have Lester but they need more.


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I'm more concerned with the O production:

2nd half of the season:
AB: wOBA
Rizzo: 209 .424
Soler 97 .386
Castro 167 .355
Valbuena 247 .354
Sweeney 82 .354
Coghlan 261 .346
Castillo 189 .315
Olt 54 .284
Alcantara 275 .257
Baez 229 .248
Lake 56 .219

Montenero 208 .266
La Stella 184 .279
Ross 53 .310

 

[CSF77]

Lester: 20,000,000
Jackson: 13,000,000
Montenero: 12,000,000
Hammel: 9,000,000
Castro: 6,857,143
Rizzo: 5,285,714
Wood (Arb 2 of 3)
Motte: 4,500,000
Wada: 4,000,000 (Then into arb 1)
Soler: 2,666,667
Ross: 2,500,000
Valbuena: (Arb 3 of 4)
Sweeney: 1,500,000
Strop: (Arb 2 of 4)
Turner: 1,000,000 (Then into arb 1)
Coghlan (Arb 2 of 3)
Doubront (arb 1 of 3)
Arrieta (Arb 1 of 3)
Castillo (Arb 1 of 3)

Rest are on min deals.

83,509,524 on the books before Arb. I'm expecting Wood's 5 mil traded and Castillo's 1-2 mil traded. That leaves Arrieta's 4 mil, Valbuena 2 mil, Strop 2 mil, Coghlan 2 mil. Doubront 1 mil.

Anywhere between 10-12 mil in Arb.

Jackson is the biggest question going into S/T. 13 mil for a mop up guy is really pushing it. I would trade him or let him try another comeback attempt. At best we are looking at a Swisher type of return.

Indians had
Kluber: 34 GS 235 IP 7.3 WAR
Bauer 26 GS 153 IP 1.3 WAR
Salazar: 20 GS 110 IP 1.8 WAR
House: 18 GS 102 IP 1.1 WAR
Tomlin 16 GS 104 IP .9 WAR

Added Floyd: 6 GS 24 IP
Carrasco listed as #2: 14 GS Mostly in the pen. 134 IP.

Say the flipped Wood and Jackson for Swisher and T.J.House. House looked promising as a LH SP.

Cle would have
Kluber
Carrasco
Wood
Jackson
Floyd

So back end is mostly vets with IP track records with 2 quality SP leading the rotation. For a team that is really a avg team they need to add stability in the rotation vs impact.

Cubs would have Swisher in LF. Adds a middle of the line up LH bat to help split up the RH hitting. After Bryant promotes and Valbuena becomes trade fodder the line up swings to the RH side.

Rotation:

Lester
Arrieta
Hammel
House
Hendricks

I feel better about the team then. Swisher has a pretty decent chance of bouncing back. Jackson has never pitched well in Wrigg and that trend continued as a Cub. He may bounce back out of Chicago.

 

[DewsSox79]

Lester: 20,000,000
Jackson: 13,000,000
Montenero: 12,000,000
Hammel: 9,000,000
Castro: 6,857,143
Rizzo: 5,285,714
Wood (Arb 2 of 3)
Motte: 4,500,000
Wada: 4,000,000 (Then into arb 1)
Soler: 2,666,667
Ross: 2,500,000
Valbuena: (Arb 3 of 4)
Sweeney: 1,500,000
Strop: (Arb 2 of 4)
Turner: 1,000,000 (Then into arb 1)
Coghlan (Arb 2 of 3)
Doubront (arb 1 of 3)
Arrieta (Arb 1 of 3)
Castillo (Arb 1 of 3)

Rest are on min deals.

83,509,524 on the books before Arb. I'm expecting Wood's 5 mil traded and Castillo's 1-2 mil traded. That leaves Arrieta's 4 mil, Valbuena 2 mil, Strop 2 mil, Coghlan 2 mil. Doubront 1 mil.

Anywhere between 10-12 mil in Arb.

Jackson is the biggest question going into S/T. 13 mil for a mop up guy is really pushing it. I would trade him or let him try another comeback attempt. At best we are looking at a Swisher type of return.

Indians had
Kluber: 34 GS 235 IP 7.3 WAR
Bauer 26 GS 153 IP 1.3 WAR
Salazar: 20 GS 110 IP 1.8 WAR
House: 18 GS 102 IP 1.1 WAR
Tomlin 16 GS 104 IP .9 WAR

Added Floyd: 6 GS 24 IP
Carrasco listed as #2: 14 GS Mostly in the pen. 134 IP.

Say the flipped Wood and Jackson for Swisher and T.J.House. House looked promising as a LH SP.

Cle would have
Kluber
Carrasco
Wood
Jackson
Floyd

So back end is mostly vets with IP track records with 2 quality SP leading the rotation. For a team that is really a avg team they need to add stability in the rotation vs impact.

Cubs would have Swisher in LF. Adds a middle of the line up LH bat to help split up the RH hitting. After Bryant promotes and Valbuena becomes trade fodder the line up swings to the RH side.

Rotation:

Lester
Arrieta
Hammel
House
Hendricks

I feel better about the team then. Swisher has a pretty decent chance of bouncing back. Jackson has never pitched well in Wrigg and that trend continued as a Cub. He may bounce back out of Chicago.

you will regret having swisher on this young cubs team. i would hope the cubs find another dance partner to unload jackson.


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[CSF77]

you will regret having swisher on this young cubs team. i would hope the cubs find another dance partner to unload jackson.


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Edwin Jackson rhp
4 years/$52M (2013-16)

4 years/$52M (2013-16)
signed by Chicago Cubs as a free agent 12/20/12
$8M signing bonus
13:$11M, 14:$11M, 15:$11M, 16:$11M

Wood aprox 5 mil for
Nick Swisher 1b-rf
4 years/$56M (2013-16), plus 2017 option

4 years/$56M (2013-16), plus 2017 vesting option
signed by Cleveland as a free agent 12/23/12
13:$11M, 14:$15M, 15:$15M, 16:$15M, 17:$14M vesting option
2017 option guaranteed if Swisher has 550 plate appearances in 2016 and passes physical at the end of the 2016 season

Basically if his vesting kicks in then he has been worth the deal. If not you cut your losses.

The real value is in getting T.J. House's .104 service time for Wood. That is adding 5 years of control for 2. Price wise the deal is comparable.

 

[nickofypres]

Has there been a rumour that the Tribe would kick in House? Seems counter productive.

 

[JosMin]

By any stretch, he's one of the 10 best pitchers in baseball. The only guys I know for a fact I'd select ahead of him are Clayton Kershaw and Felix Hernandez. I put him in the same conversation as Adam Wainwright, Zack Greinke, Cole Hamels and now, Madison Bumgarner -- guys that continue being elite into the playoffs, neither Kershaw nor Hernandez can say they've done that. Ditto for Chris Sale, Johnny Cueto and Yu Darvish.

David Price and Max Scherzer are both great, but have been 'average', by all accounts, in the playoffs.

Verlander has taken a huge step back -- he's not even a consideration for me. Jose Fernandez is coming off a major surgery and has 36 career starts, all for a team who was miserable under his tenure.

We're lucky to have him, that's for sure.

 

[chibears55]

I think Verlander is going to be in for a rude awakening with his contract. .

At 32 and on the decline, I just dont see how a team would be willing to give him 5 yrs or more and 25 to 30 mil per..

I can see him probably end up with a team on a 4 yr deal maybe a 5th option at 25 per tops..

 

[TL1961]

Lester is not an elite starting pitcher, and never has been. He would be a good #2 starter, though. The Cubs don't have enough depth on that team to make much use of Lester at this point. I doubt he makes much of a difference for them next year.

You can count on Sox fans to come make crap up just to be negative about the Cubs.

But this is even dumber than the crap Dews throws out there.

Because they are not deep, a quality pitcher won't make a difference? Lester takes over a spot vacated by, say, Edwin Jackson, so it won't make a difference?

Yeah, how dumb of people to expect the team to be better with Lester than with Jackson or whoever else pitched in the 5 spot last year.

And not only that, some think Soler will make a difference over Sweeney/Ruggiano, et al. And Bryant may be an improvement over Olt.

How dumb are people??

 

[TL1961]

There is still no way one can say for certain what the Cubs will be in 15. Could they compete? Sure. Contend? Too many unknowns no matter how awesome the specs are ranked in the system. Lester is an ace on the Cubs no doubt but after that arrieta is still unknown and the rotation really is weak. It's exciting for Cubs fans to have Lester but they need more.


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Well, I think everyone from Theo on down agrees they need more. But you have to add pieces. They don't all come at once in one big bundle.

They added Lester, and have made it clear they will be looking to do so even more over the next 15 months. What's your point?