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They said Scott improved his skating over the summer.
Look out!
Does he have Stalberg-like speed now?
Does he have Stalberg-like speed now?
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They said Scott improved his skating over the summer.
Look out!
Who is they...?
And so that means he can now cross over to the left but still not the right?
You just can't afford to have a player that cannot play 5on5 anymore in this league. 10 years ago and prior, no problem.
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It was in the paper.
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Trib or Sun-Times?
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Both.
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I think I saw that too, but I don't really buy it. I doubt it's improved enough for him to play more than 5 games this year.
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I thought he was a pointless signing to begin with.
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I can't take that much credit for it. It's a slightly rewritten quote from "That '70s Show" when Hyde called Eric "softer than Liberace at the Playboy Mansion".
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You guys know my stance on Scott 
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My personal take on Scott was that he was cheap and available, and for some unknown reason someone wanted to take a shot at seeing if he could plant himself in the crease and basically perform the job of screening the goalie. In addition to the, fighting aspect, -which Writer summed up pretty well as far as I can tell.
I guess you don't dump someone that was signed for that cheaply, but I can't really see Chicago bothering to sign him after this season, unless he actually does something. I suppose if that is the case, they might try to move him at some point in the season -but unless there is some sucker GM's out there -they aren't going to get anything --and in which case, you don't worry about moving the guy -as I'm sure there has to be more important things to do .... like, maybe making sure the Zambonis had their scheduled oil changes or something...
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The only disagreement I have with your thoughts here is that initially, I believe Scott was brought in as a Sopel replacement (hoping for a "big tree" shot-blocker effect) since the team started him off as a defenseman and kept him there for a while. It wasn't until that experiment failed that they finally put him on the wing and the story developed as you said.
The folks who are "bagging" on him have unrealistic expectations (ya know, that he's here to actually play hockey).
He's a great ass-kicker and a true heavy, but there were far too many times he was too "nice" on the ice. I can agree with anyone who "whips" on him in that aspect as he wasn't living up to his role. That's reasonable to me.
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You just had to go there and remind us all....so, so many once great stars turned washed up duds signed by the Hawks.
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Where did you get that stat from? Or is this one of the "throw some shit on the wall and hope it sticks garbage?"Right, no one wants to fight a giant, I get that....That is the whole point of putting him out there.
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Right, no one wants to fight a giant, I get that....That is the whole point of putting him out there.
Dews, it is my personal opinion.
If someone takes a run at Toews/Kane...what is Scott going to do? Chances are, he isn't going to be on the ice at all during that time. Chances are, the other player will NOT fight him because he is 6'8"...which is an issue. Carcillo is 6'0", a lot more players will drop the gloves with him than Scott and Carcillo can take a much more regular shift than a Scott. Same goes for the other guys picked up this offseason. Scott is pretty worthless except to fight the other worthless guy on the opposing team. That really doesn't provide the momentum swing or confidence on the bench that you would think or hope.
If no one wants to fight Scott...then what good is he? It takes two to drop the gloves, as we saw against the Canucks last year in the playoffs when he dropped the gloves (I believe with Glass) and Glass refused and nothing happened. Scott barely hits anyone out there because he can barely skate. Scott doesn't stop the other team from taking liberties with our players, because quite frankly they aren't going to have to pay for it if they don't want to, because he can't do anything but fight...and as I said, it takes two to fight.
I am giving valid opinions and backing them up with thoughts, ideas, and stats. If you want to disagree, then go ahead and do so with thoughts, ideas and stats. Don't disagree just to disagree or give some "real cool doogie" reply because it gets old and is petty. If you can't do this, go ahead and block my posts...I won't mind.
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Scott is useless. Enforcers don't really help that much. Players like Cooke and other players who are cheap hitters will still hit guys like Savard. It's gonna happen no matter what. John Scott won't change that and Carcillo won't either. At least Carcillo can be used on the ice, Scott can't.
I guess what I'm saying is that Carcillo was a good signing and will add some toughness, but in the end if a guy really wants to take Toews out, he'll do it.
I guess what I'm saying is that Carcillo was a good signing and will add some toughness, but in the end if a guy really wants to take Toews out, he'll do it.
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I think the big difference is who these guys fight. I went to hockeyfights.com and checked it out...
Carcillo has fights against guys like Avery, Gaborik, Rivet, Downie, Gleason, Giordano, Dubinsky, Ott, Smid and more guys who actually mean something to their own team. Non-staged fights with a lot of these guys would be my guess (Gaborik doesn't stage a fight and neither does Giordano, Smid, and others). These fights had meaning and trading Carcillo for a Gaborik/etc for 5 mins is beneficial big time.
Scott has fights against guys like Stortini, Winchester, Janssen, Koci, and more guys who mean absolutely nothing to their own team. Staged fights as these guys are out there only to fight one another.
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That definitely went away toward the end of the season. It felt like Q had a sit down with him and essentially told him to beat some ass or he'll never get a whiff of the ice
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I think you've become too focused/narrow on the fighting aspect. When Scott is in the lineup (and he doesn't even have to drop the gloves), the opposition adjusts (and kept in check, or as Carcillo put it--"kept inside their shoes"). I agree with this, and I think this is what Dews is loosely referring to (not to put words in his fingers - I may be wrong).
The "Scott Effect." :lol:
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Agree. It was definitely visible he was trying harder.
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Personally, I really don't think there is a "Scott effect" at all.
Hell, look at all the cheap shots that went on in the series versus the Canucks in the playoffs. Torres on Seabrook, Hamhuis on Bolland, Edler's elbow on Brouwer, Torres knee to Ben Smith. I'm pretty sure atleast 3 out of 4 of those happened with Scott in the lineup. I feel like no one is afraid of him, because they don't have to be. He isn't going to do anything to retaliate because he barely plays, he probably isn't fast enough to hit you, he can't be defined as a chippy player - because he doesn't have the skill set to be, and you don't have to fight him if you don't want to.
I just feel like Scott does nothing to benefit the team whether he is in the lineup, on the bench, or on the ice. The best place for him is in a suit in the press box.
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