Who do you think is leading ROY...

[waldo7239117]

Was I? Re-read my post and show me where I said in it that Niese is better because of that one stat. I just posted em. All it is.



My bad, you think Castro should finish higher than Niese because he will have the better career. Stupid, nonetheless.

I never said that, I just think Castro is having a better season and he's playing a way harder position.

 

[Captain Obvious]

-0.5 UZR

-1.7 UZR/150

-14 DRS

And the dozen or so games I've seen from him, not impressed.

UZR is very flukey from year to year, so using not even 1,000 innings to judge how he is off of a flukey stat, is not the way to go here. Part of his UZR is because in his first week or so up he had like 7-10 errors. If you take away even half of those, he is average, according to this one flukey stat.

I don't care what you've seen from him. I honestly don't.

Was I? Re-read my post and show me where I said in it that Niese is better because of that one stat. I just posted em. All it is.

Okay...

Niese=109 ERA+
Castro=106 OPS+

If Niese is average, than Castro is slightly below average. Yea, now you see how stupid your logic is now waldo.

Yes, you used one stat.

 

[Got teeth? Keith doesn't.]

I never said that, I just think Castro is having a better season and he's playing a way harder position.

An average pitcher over a player who's going to have a good career.

Yes, you did say it. And he has short term memory, evidently.

 

[waldo7239117]

Yes, you did say it. And he has short term memory, evidently.

I thought you meant you would take Niese over Castro for long term. That's what I was talking about. My bad for the misunderstanding.

 

[Got teeth? Keith doesn't.]

UZR is very flukey from year to year, so using not even 1,000 innings to judge how he is off of a flukey stat, is not the way to go here. Part of his UZR is because in his first week or so up he had like 7-10 errors. If you take away even half of those, he is average, according to this one flukey stat.

I don't care what you've seen from him. I honestly don't.



Okay...


Yes, you used one stat.

If you don't care then gtfo and stop talkin to me maybe? Seems pretty logical. What do you think? Why would you want to waste your time with someone you don't care for their opinion?

And no, I was not using the stat for who was better, but to show since he thinks Niese is average, than Castro must be below average since Niese is 9% better than the league average pitching wise, compared to Castro being 6% better than the league average at the plate. Reading comprehension, buddy.

 

[Got teeth? Keith doesn't.]

I thought you meant you would take Niese over Castro for long term. That's what I was talking about. My bad for the misunderstanding.

No, I thought it was pretty clear I was giving my voting order...

 

[waldo7239117]

No, I thought it was pretty clear I was giving my voting order...

Just from how you wrote the sentence, it just looked like that's what you mean...can you answer my question please?

 

[Captain Obvious]

If you don't care then gtfo and stop talkin to me maybe? Seems pretty logical. What do you think? Why would you want to waste your time with someone you don't care for their opinion?

And no, I was not using the stat for who was better, but to show since he thinks Niese is average, than Castro must be below average since Niese is 9% better than the league average pitching wise, compared to Castro being 6% better than the league average at the plate. Reading comprehension, buddy.

Got a dick up your ass? Keith does.

 

[Jntg4]

Damn Teeth, stop hatin' on Castro! And damn waldo, stop misunderstanding people. We can't understand you, but you say that we can understand everything you write on your blog, and then you can't understand Teeth's clear, easily understandable writing. Do we have to write like you in order for you to understand?

CO, I'm clicking the button thats says "Add to Captain Obvious's Reputation" now.

 

[Got teeth? Keith doesn't.]

Just from how you wrote the sentence, it just looked like that's what you mean...can you answer my question please?

Well I think his weakness is throwing accuracy and hands, his throwing reminds me of Alexei in his rookie year when he seemed careless at times.

Got a dick up your ass? Keith does.

oh how clevar, only cubs fans like you :smh:

 

[Captain Obvious]

Damn Teeth, stop hatin' on Castro! And damn waldo, stop misunderstanding people. We can't understand you, but you say that we can understand everything you write on your blog, and then you can't understand Teeth's clear, easily understandable writing. Do we have to write like you in order for you to understand?

CO, I'm clicking the button thats says "Add to Captain Obvious's Reputation" now.

You sir are off the ignore list.

Well I think his weakness is throwing accuracy and hands, his throwing reminds me of Alexei in his rookie year when he seemed careless at times.



oh how clevar, only cubs fans like you :smh:

Clever? :smh:

 

[Jntg4]

Well, I think his weakness is throwing accuracy and hands, and it reminds me of Alexei in his rookie year, when he seemed careless at times.



oh how clever, only cubs fans like you :smh:

Turning into waldo now?

 

[Got teeth? Keith doesn't.]

Turning into waldo now?

No that was intentionally, sadly we can't say the same for all of Waldo's grammatical gaffes.

 

[Jntg4]

No that was intentionally, sadly we can't say the same for all of Waldo's grammatical gaffes.

Ah, ok.

 

[poodski]

Niese=109 ERA+
Castro=106 OPS+

If Niese is average, than Castro is slightly below average. Yea, now you see how stupid your logic is now waldo.

Why are you comparing Castro to all hitters? Should he really be compared vs. first baseman?

His sOPS+ sits at 129 which is quite a bit better than Niese's.

You always mention Castro's defense which I agree with you has been subpar but yet you use ERA for a pitcher? Niese's FIP sits at 3.99 which is a bit worse than his ERA.

There is no way Niese has been better than Castro unless you actually believe the TZR rating of -14. Which seems to be a real outlier from UZR and DRS.

 

[Got teeth? Keith doesn't.]

Why are you comparing Castro to all hitters? Should he really be compared vs. first baseman?

His sOPS+ sits at 129 which is quite a bit better than Niese's.

You always mention Castro's defense which I agree with you has been subpar but yet you use ERA for a pitcher? Niese's FIP sits at 3.99 which is a bit worse than his ERA.

There is no way Niese has been better than Castro unless you actually believe the TZR rating of -14. Which seems to be a real outlier from UZR and DRS.

I compared Castro to all hitters and Niese to all pitchers, what is the problem with that? He has a .339 wOBA and Niese has a 3.99 FIP, both are basically a bit above average.

 

[Captain Obvious]

I compared Castro to all hitters and Niese to all pitchers, what is the problem with that? He has a .339 wOBA and Niese has a 3.99 FIP, both are basically a bit above average.

It's ROY. The R stands for Rookie. This isn't 1914 and we aren't playing in the federal league. Not everyone is a rookie.

 

[Got teeth? Keith doesn't.]

It's ROY. The R stands for Rookie. This isn't 1914 and we aren't playing in the federal league. Not everyone is a rookie.

...okay?

 

[Captain Obvious]

...okay?

We're talking about Rookie of the Year. It's not really fair to compare them to other plays who aren't rookies.

 

[poodski]

I compared Castro to all hitters and Niese to all pitchers, what is the problem with that? He has a .339 wOBA and Niese has a 3.99 FIP, both are basically a bit above average.

Ok so if there was a first baseman doing the same thing as Castro he would be a bit above average too? Or a left fielder?

Castro is given more dap because he plays SS. His position is a big reason for his value. Compared to other SS he has been nothing short of amazing with the bat, and that's really what he should be compared to.

Niese should be compared to other starting pitchers and Castro to other shortstops.