Who is the 2nd best player in Bulls history?

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Funny how you say Pippen would only be his own man on 9 of ten teams...Funny material bro........What would Rose be on Jordans team????? Ron Harper or B.j Armstrong???????LMAO.....Put Rose 1 on 1 with Pip and see how great Rose would be......It would be worse than putting Lebron on Rose.......Straight up no even funny..........Take away Rose and add Pippen to fill Roses shoes and the Bulls get past Miami...

On only 9/10 teams... and you take that as an insult?!!

Seriously?

Rose would murder Pippen one-on-one. Not that it is relevant because the game we are talking about is 5-on-5.

And no... LeBron would destroy Pippen one-on-one.

 

[eternityw]

Literally... 1.5 years as a team leader. The rest of the time: SIDE-KICK!




That is the worst logic I've ever heard in my life.

Pippen isn't as versatile as Andrei Kirilenko. I guess that means AK47>Pip! Oh and Pippen was more versatile than Shaq. So I suppose that means that Pip>Shaq, too!



Not as well as Derrick Rose.



Duh.



You just described Derrick Rose.

No problem. For me Pippen is better then Rose at the moment.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

No problem. For me Pippen is better then Rose at the moment.

Right now, it is a tough call.

From a pure scoring stand-point... it is not even close. Rose can get to the rim at will. He may be the best penetrator/finisher the NBA has seen since Michael Jordan himself.

From a passing stand-point, it's a tougher call. But I'd trust Rose as a more skilled passer than Pippen.

Rebounding- Pippen

Defense- Pippen

It's a close call.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

In 1994 Pippen played without Jordan, in 1995 he lead the team in all stats before jordan came back. so he is not side-kick. i am not agree with that.
Rose is still not all around player like Scottie was so Pip is still better.
As we talked before Pip can score well and defensively he is much better then Derrick. Pip didn't shoot the ball a lot because he did another work on the offensive end. He made his teammates better by passing the ball and creating open shots for them.

Okay Eternity.
I think its time for the big shocker for our fans..
I think its time we tell CCS community who we really are.

Greetings Bulls fans, I am Scottie Pippen, 6 time champion and Partner(not sidekick) of Michael Jordan who to this day I still consider family.

Eternity in real life is my former teammate and someone I respect and call friend.
That's right, Tony Kucoc is Eternity.

We got together a few months ago and decided it would be fun to join a Bulls messageboard and mingle with fans.

I must say, we appreciate the support of our fans and are enjoying communicating with the average joe Bulls fan (YOU)

Some of you guys make me laugh, but you guys have a lot to learn.
I look forward to representing the Bulls orginization again next season, and Tony and I will be counting on your support.

Have a nice day.
:crazydance:

 

[eternityw]

Right now, it is a tough call.

From a pure scoring stand-point... it is not even close. Rose can get to the rim at will. He may be the best penetrator/finisher the NBA has seen since Michael Jordan himself.

From a passing stand-point, it's a tougher call. But I'd trust Rose as a more skilled passer than Pippen.

Rebounding- Pippen

Defense- Pippen

It's a close call.

Pip could play against tight defense, Derrick can't at the moment. I am not saying that Rose is good player, he is great player. But he have to learn a lot to reach level that Scottie Pippen played.
Yes, Derrick is super fast, good passer but still young to be an all around master.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

This is starting to get creepy now.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Pip could play against tight defense, Derrick can't at the moment. I am not saying that Rose is good player, he is great player. But he have to learn a lot to reach level that Scottie Pippen played.
Yes, Derrick is super fast, good passer but still young to be an all around master.

What are these "levels" you speak of?

Do you know how easily I could turn that around? Derrick Rose won an MVP award- and deserved it. Pippen did not- and never deserved one.

Rose led a team to the conference finals. Pippen never did "lead" a team there.

Rose and Pippen are at the same level. There is no argument against that.

Being an all-around better player than someone doesn't mean you are better than them. Pippen is an all-around better player than Shaq. Shaq was MUCH better overall as a player.

You have a lot to learn.

 

[eternityw]

What are these "levels" you speak of?

Do you know how easily I could turn that around? Derrick Rose won an MVP award- and deserved it. Pippen did not- and never deserved one.

Rose led a team to the conference finals. Pippen never did "lead" a team there.

Rose and Pippen are at the same level. There is no argument against that.

Being an all-around better player than someone doesn't mean you are better than them. Pippen is an all-around better player than Shaq. Shaq was MUCH better overall as a player.

You have a lot to learn.

I have to learn nothing about it, i am playing basketball and know who are all around player and who is not. i know what is team work is all about.
My opinion that pip is better then Derrick. i saw games he played and no stats or mvp awards will changed my mind.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I have to learn nothing about it, i am playing basketball and know who are all around player and who is not. i know what is team work is all about.
My opinion that pip is better then Derrick. i saw games he played and no stats or mvp awards will changed my mind.

Think what you want but that doesn't mean your opinion isn't wrong.

Essentially, you are admitting that you are stubborn.

Playing basketball has nothing to do with it. Being a better all-around player doesn't make you a better player necessarily. I'm not sure your English is quite comprehensive enough to grasp this.

 

[Uman85]

Pippen is the 2nd best right now. Rose will pass him in the future. I think we can all agree on that.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Pippen is the 2nd best right now. Rose will pass him in the future. I think we can all agree on that.

It depends on how you measure it.

If you are counting rings and awards, Rose will never pass Pippen in the eyes of some foolish fans.

If you are weighing it objectively, and Rose has another 10 seasons as good or slightly better than the one he just had in 2010-11, Rose will surely be the better player.

 

[eternityw]

Think what you want but that doesn't mean your opinion isn't wrong.

Essentially, you are admitting that you are stubborn.

Playing basketball has nothing to do with it. Being a better all-around player doesn't make you a better player necessarily. I'm not sure your English is quite comprehensive enough to grasp this.

You want to hear from me that Rose is better then Pippen? Other answers are wrong or not?
You have your opinion, i have mine. Any of us will change it. Peace

 

[scottiepippen1994]

What are these "levels" you speak of?

Do you know how easily I could turn that around? Derrick Rose won an MVP award- and deserved it. Pippen did not- and never deserved one.

Rose led a team to the conference finals. Pippen never did "lead" a team there.

Rose and Pippen are at the same level. There is no argument against that.

Being an all-around better player than someone doesn't mean you are better than them. Pippen is an all-around better player than Shaq. Shaq was MUCH better overall as a player.

You have a lot to learn.

The NBA is not at near the level of intensity as it was when Tony and I played when you were playing with tinker toys and legos.

Derrick Rose won an MVP and got to an Eastern Conferance final in a much more spoiled pampered league unlike the warzone we played in, especially the playoffs..

I bet you my balls and my commercial jet Derrick Rose would not win MVP in the 90s.
Last years Bulls team would of got swept by the 94 Knicks.
1994 Knicks also would destroy last years Heat.
As a matter of fact, The 1994 Cavs if Healthy would also sweep last years Bulls.
Funny, but I can't help but imagine how banged up last years Bulls team would of got in the 1990s.
A much more serious physical game back in the days.
I think that last years Bulls team would have half the team on the injured list.
Could you imagine.
Deng would be in a cast,
Boozer would be in a full body cast.
LMAO.
Please continue to humor Tony and I.

I'm thinking about calling my brother MJ to come post on here.

 

[Uman85]

It depends on how you measure it.

If you are counting rings and awards, Rose will never pass Pippen in the eyes of some foolish fans.

If you are weighing it objectively, and Rose has another 10 seasons as good or slightly better than the one he just had in 2010-11, Rose will surely be the better player.

Yeah, I'm basing it objectively. Barring injury or a huge statistical drop-off, he will become the 2nd best in a matter of time.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The NBA is not at near the level of intensity as it was when Tony and I played when you were playing with tinker toys and legos.

Will you stop being disingenuous, please? It's unbecoming of someone your age. It's insulting, rude, and obnoxious.

I may be 23 years-old but it is clear to me that I know more about NBA basketball than 99% of people who are in their 30's and older.

Derrick Rose won an MVP and got to an Eastern Conferance final in a much more spoiled pampered league unlike the warzone we played in, especially the playoffs..

You can't quantify any of that. The NBA is full of a LOT more skilled players, at every position, than ever before throughout the entire history of the league. The rules have changed but the intensity and desire to win has not.

I bet you my balls and my commercial jet Derrick Rose would not win MVP in the 90s.

It's very possible Rose could have in the 90's.

Last years Bulls team would of got swept by the 94 Knicks.
1994 Knicks also would destroy last years Heat.
As a matter of fact, The 1994 Cavs if Healthy would also sweep last years Bulls.

Team. That is a piss-poor way of analyzing players.

You do realize that the 1995 Bulls with Jordan AND Pippen lost to the Magic in the 2nd round. They did MUCH better the previous season when they had Grant and a little more depth than they did without Grant and Jordan thrown back in.

By your logic, Shaq and Penny>Jordan and Pippen.

Funny, but I can't help but imagine how banged up last years Bulls team would of got in the 1990s.
A much more serious physical game back in the days.
I think that last years Bulls team would have half the team on the injured list.

Jordan and Pippen never had to play in an NBA without hand-checking being allowed.

Guys like Longley would die of a heart attack playing against the Dwight Howards and Joakim Noahs of the modern day NBA.

Physical style is NOT > finesse.

It's different. That doesn't mean the players were better back then.

 

[Uman85]

Rose could've won an MVP in the 90s. I believe that. You can't just make a blanket generalization about that because of the variables involved.

C'mon scottie, enough with these charades. Can't we just talk basketball without insults or games. I know BMR brought a lot of trouble to this forum. We don't need more of it. We're all adults here. Let's act like it.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Rose could've won an MVP in the 90s. I believe that. You can't just make a blanket generalization about that because of the variables involved.

C'mon scottie, enough with these charades. Can't we just talk basketball without insults or games. I know BMR brought a lot of trouble to this forum. We don't need more of it. We're all adults here. Let's act like it.

This. It's time for you to prove BMR wrong or prove him right, sp94.

On the topic of 70's/80's/90's basketball vs. 00's/10's basketball:

There has NEVER been more talent in the NBA and around the world than right now. It is extremely biased and ignorant to think otherwise. The nature of the NBA game is more finesse. But that certainly does not mean it is harder to win an NBA championship because of that.

The reason it was so hard to win a championship in the 90's for everybody not-named Michael Jordan (or on Jordan's teams) is simple: they were going up against the greatest player the world has ever seen on a stacked team.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Will you stop being disingenuous, please? It's unbecoming of someone your age. It's insulting, rude, and obnoxious.

I may be 23 years-old but it is clear to me that I know more about NBA basketball than 99% of people who are in their 30's and older.



You can't quantify any of that. The NBA is full of a LOT more skilled players, at every position, than ever before throughout the entire history of the league. The rules have changed but the intensity and desire to win has not.



It's very possible Rose could have in the 90's.



Team. That is a piss-poor way of analyzing players.

You do realize that the 1995 Bulls with Jordan AND Pippen lost to the Magic in the 2nd round. They did MUCH better the previous season when they had Grant and a little more depth than they did without Grant and Jordan thrown back in.

By your logic, Shaq and Penny>Jordan and Pippen.








Jordan and Pippen never had to play in an NBA without hand-checking being allowed.

Guys like Longley would die of a heart attack playing against the Dwight Howards and Joakim Noahs of the modern day NBA.

Physical style is NOT > finesse.

It's different. That doesn't mean the players were better back then.

Dwight Howard???? LoL

Luc Longley didn't have a heart attack against Ewing, Mourning, Hakeem, Shaq, or Robinson and all of the names I just listed are better than Howard...

Todays league is not near the level it was in the 90s...
You are just mad because you missed the boat.
Nothing I see in todays game really impresses me that much because I've seen it before a long time ago,
I've seen better..
I See you are loosing your cool now.
Maybe you need to rest.
Meanwhile, ill get in contact with Doc Brown and Marty Mcfly.
As soon as you wake up, the flux capacitor will will finished and they can take you back to the 90s to watch the NBA.
Then when they drop you back off in good old 2011, you will understand..
Ill say it one more time, Todays NBA is soft compared to what it used to be..
I'm sorry, but its just true.
Get over it young man.

You can't speak on what you didn't witness, but you can guess all you want or just read opinionated articles,
But you didn't actually see it.
You can't see or feel or witness just by reading history books because the whole story isn't there...
Have a nice day.........Lil buddy.
:dunno:

 

[eternityw]

This. It's time for you to prove BMR wrong or prove him right, sp94.

On the topic of 70's/80's/90's basketball vs. 00's/10's basketball:

There has NEVER been more talent in the NBA and around the world than right now. It is extremely biased and ignorant to think otherwise. The nature of the NBA game is more finesse. But that certainly does not mean it is harder to win an NBA championship because of that.

The reason it was so hard to win a championship in the 90's for everybody not-named Michael Jordan (or on Jordan's teams) is simple: they were going up against the greatest player the world has ever seen on a stacked team.

Are you serious about talent in NBA nowadays?
Most of games are not interesting these days except 6 or 8 teams in the whole league. Players have physical talent but less creativity and hard working. They are receiving a lot of money not for basketball but for work they are doing. Most players are playing not 100% they able to on the court, no fire in most of the games.
In 80s or 90s teams played for themselves, for the fans, for fun, for the great game of basketball. Now players getting money, game is secondary, not the main.
So mentally nowadays league is poor in my opinion.

 

[Uman85]

Dwight Howard???? LoL

Luc Longley didn't have a heart attack against Ewing, Mourning, Hakeem, Shaq, or Robinson and all of the names I just listed are better than Howard...

Todays league is not near the level it was in the 90s...
You are just mad because you missed the boat.
Nothing I see in todays game really impresses me that much because I've seen it before a long time ago,
I've seen better..
I See you are loosing your cool now.
Maybe you need to rest.
Meanwhile, ill get in contact with Doc Brown and Marty Mcfly.
As soon as you wake up, the flux capacitor will will finished and they can take you back to the 90s to watch the NBA.
Then when they drop you back off in good old 2011, you will understand..
Ill say it one more time, Todays NBA is soft compared to what it used to be..
I'm sorry, but its just true.
Get over it young man.

You can't speak on what you didn't witness, but you can guess all you want or just read opinionated articles,
But you didn't actually see it.
You can't see or feel or witness just by reading history books because the whole story isn't there...
Have a nice day.........Lil buddy.
:dunno:

I'll agree that there were great, dominant centers in the 90s, but don't act like the talent level is far lesser today. Howard, Durant, Gasol, Griffin, etc. are all great talents and would definitely hold their own in the 90s. The playing style was a lot more physical in the 90s but for athletes like these guys, I don't see that being much of a problem. They aren't wimps at all.