Who Is Your Least Favorite Cub?

[FirstTimer]

Although big Z does lead all Cubs pitchers in Gatorade machines broken.

According to FanGraphs

 

[Uman85]

Although big Z does lead all Cubs pitchers in Gatorade machines broken.

According to FanGraphs

I believe he is the greatest of all-time in that category.

 

[Mr. Cub]

Wow this thread got out of hand. As usual haha

 

[FirstTimer]

Wow CO posts stupid stuff about baseball. As usual haha

Fixed.

 

[Jntg4]

No order:

Wins
K's
Saves
ERA
Awards
Peak seasons
Longevity of success
Drinking prowess
Not getting hurt playing guitar hero
Ability to stay hydrated.
Not being a minority.







1. WAR isn't a stat.

2. You "made up" the stats and where he ranked. He's 8th in wins! No, he's 15th. WAR isn't a stat..plus you were wrong anyways.

:lmao:

 

[Jntg4]

Wow CO sucks dick and contemplates fucking 13 year olds. As usual haha

Fixed.

Fixed.

 

[ZAN]

Sammy Sosa. I didn't give two fucks about him "bringing baseball back" or whatever it was he did with Big Mac.

 

[brett05]

Sosa batted .305 w/ an OBP of .455 with 7 runs and 6 RBI in the Florida series.

Wood's ERA was 3.2, Prior's was 2.4 in that series.

Wood also batted .333 w/ a HR.

X. This is clearly a case where stats fail. Prior doesn't collapse they win. Sosa hits the cutoff they win. Wood pitches a quality game 7 they win

If you can watch game 6 and game 7

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Wow this thread got out of hand. As usual haha

does this really surprise you?

 

[Mr. Cub]

does this really surprise you?

Not really at all. I actually knew this would happen eventually haha

 

[Mr. Cub]

The pop....

The hop....

The stop....

I don't care what anyone says. Steroids or not. Sammy Sosa was awesome!

 

[inactiveuser1]

Michael Barrett seemed like a tool:dunno: otherwise I can only think of Milton Bradley

 

[Captain Obvious]

Already have,.

Listing your list isn't proving shit.

1. Fangraphs is shit.

2. He's clearly 15th all time in wins.

STFU.

Again you're making shit up.

1. How is Fangraphs shit?

2. I never said he wasn't shit. I used 1919 because that was the end of the dead ball period, that's why the numbers are off.

You're an absolute moron then with no sense of history rleative to when they pitched and what teams they pitched for. I have to laugh you challeneg those guys..when some fo them rank higher in catagories that you cite for Zambrano. But I'm not surprised. Just more non-sensical bullshit on your part.

Yes they do rank higher in some categories... but it's realative to when they played, right? From 03-10, Z had the 7th most wins in baseball. Where did those guys rank?

Lilly pitched hisbrains out in Chicago. Was a good teammate. Had a better ERA, better win%, and had a near idnetical ERA+ to Z here.

But yeah let's ignore that.

Slightly better ERA. Win % wasn't even close. Not sure how you do math... but last time I checked 52-32 was better than 47-34. DERP.

No shit they had a near identical ERA+... they had basically the same ERA. Rocket Scientist, are you?

 

[Captain Obvious]

No order:

Wins
K's
ERA
Awards
Peak seasons
Longevity of success

Root - He pitched with the Cubs from 1926-1941. He had 201 wins, which is most for the Cubs. From 1926-1941, that was good for 6th most wins in baseball. He struck out 1432 over those 15 seasons, which is 4th most in Cubs history and 4th from 26-41 and posted a 3.55 ERA, which was 36th best in baseball from 26-41 and 28th best in Cubs history, min. 1000 IP.

Hutchinson - He pitched with the Cubs from 1889-1895. He had 181 wins, which is 3rd most for the Cubs. From 1885-1895, that was good for 3rd most wins in baseball. He struck out 1224 over those 7 seasons, which is 7th most in Cubs history and 2nd from 88-95 and posted a 3.56 ERA, which was 24th best in baseball from 88-95 and 29th best in Cubs history, min. 1000 IP.

Bush - He pitched with the Cubs from 1923-1934. He had 152 wins, which is 6th most for the Cubs. From 1923-1934, that was good for 9th most wins in baseball. He struck out 712 over those 12 seasons, which is 25th most in Cubs history and 20th from 23-34 and posted a 3.81 ERA, which was 60th best in baseball from 23-34 and 38th best in Cubs history, min. 1000 IP.

Griffith - He pitched with the Cubs from 1893-1902. He had 152 wins, which is 6th most for the Cubs. From 1893-1902, that was good for 7th most wins in baseball. He struck out 573 over those 10 seasons, which is 30th most in Cubs history and 7th from 93-02 and posted a 3.40 ERA, which was 36th best in baseball from 93-02 and 23th best in Cubs history, min. 1000 IP.

Lee - He pitched with the Cubs from 1934-1942. He had 139 wins, which is 9th most for the Cubs. From 1934-1942, that was good for 7th most wins in baseball. He struck out 874 over those 7 seasons, which is 19th most in Cubs history and 8th from 34-42 and posted a 3.49 ERA, which was 37th best in baseball from 34-42 and 25th best in Cubs history, min. 1000 IP.

Z - He pitched with the Cubs from 2002-2011. He had 125 wins, which is 15th most for the Cubs. From 2002-2011, that was good for 9th most wins in baseball. He struck out 1538 over those 10 seasons, which is 2nd most in Cubs history and 9th from 02-11 and posted a 3.6 ERA, which was 36th best in baseball from 02-11 and 31st best in Cubs history, min. 1000 IP.

As you can see, the thing that Z is best at, K's--which he ranks 2nd in the organization at-- he's only 9th in baseball in. Bush was the only other one who was lower in his league during his time. That goes to show you that Z was playing in a time when pitchers were just a lot better, but he was still in the top 10 in K's and W's. He's right there with these guys and he was facing much tougher hitters. According to you, steroids are so bad. So it's not fair to judge him on the same level when his counterparts were cheating. He's certainly in my top 10 still.

1. WAR isn't a stat.

2. You "made up" the stats and where he ranked. He's 8th in wins! No, he's 15th. WAR isn't a stat..plus you were wrong anyways.

1. I didn't say it was. It doesn't matter if it is a stat or not, it's better than anything you can name for evaluating a player. But it's not right for this analysis, because FG doesn't have every player's WAR listed.

Gotta love CO's reasoning for Zambrano being top 10 all time is so locked in and well founded that two different sites can't even agree where he ranks all time in Cubs records. Yeah..thats REALLY solid stuff there! On top f that one of them isn't even a stat..it's some made up metric.

Color us all IMPRESSED!

No, they agree where he ranks. You just can't read where I said since 1919.

 

[ZDemp34]

Kevin Gregg. Holy crap he was terrible. He was one of the many reasons we didn't three-peat in 2009.

 

[Mr. Cub]

Kevin Gregg. Holy crap he was terrible. He was one of the many reasons we didn't three-peat in 2009.

Yeah that dude pissed me off a lot. Kinda like Marmolade did this year.

 

[Jntg4]

Why the **** are we using Wins as a basis for an argument? Terrible stat.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Why the **** are we using Wins as a basis for an argument? Terrible stat.

Because we're comparing things to over 100 years ago.

 

[inactiveuser1]

Why the **** are we using Wins as a basis for an argument? Terrible stat.

Because it's CO :elephant:

 

[Jntg4]

Because we're comparing things to over 100 years ago.

Even worse, you have to correlate it to time period and run support then.