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WAR what is it good for? Absolutely nothing
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You're telling me to read... yet you can't do a very good job of it yourself, can you?
It doesn't prove shit. It says that it has a problem with UZR, which I more than agree with. Where does it saying anything about a problem with pitchers? With wOBA? With the positional values? This guy has a problem with UZR, which most people do. Again, I encourage you to find something better. You don't seem to grasp this concept very well.
Show me a baseball metric/stat that isn't flawed. I guess they all blow if they are all flawed, huh?
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Again the argument is context, and the use of one stat or metric to judge Zambrano as a top 10 pitcher in Cubs history.
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But he didn't... Here is the first post that CO listed Z as a top 10 pitcher.
Math might not be my strong suit, but I count 3 statistics used there. You guys are the ones that go apeshit whenever CO mentions WAR.
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And according to this Chicago Cubs Top 10 Pitching Leaders - Baseball-Reference.com
Zambrano isn't top 10 in wins. And he's not in the top 10 in WAR, according to the above link.
It was fun to watch Zambrano, when his mind and body were right, and he was a top 5 pitcher in my Cubs history (since 1993).
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I was not defending CO's logic, argument or conclusions. I was just pointing out that he didn't rely on one statistic like some have claimed. You can read the whole back and forth for yourself about the stats there.
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I can't read
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That is what I was pointing out to...
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Sonuvabish I'm angry now. **** AG. Getting paid $$$ & you can't even field that stupid fucking ground ball. **** Prior with that wild pitch too. My day is ruined now.
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Wrong.
Flawed as ****.
You can't even keep yourt shit straight "His problem is with UZR..................................and all this other junk".
Read the article and actually take it inn rather than being a brainless goon.
Yes it does. You're just too stupid to understand it.
Among other things.
Again. Read and quit being a tool bag.
It doesn't have to. I've alreadycovered the massive issues with weighed on base on this very board.
You keep talking as if the only issue is with UZR which leads me to believe you are completely fucking Special person.
Yep. Alone. They all blow.
Now you're starting to get it.
I think.
More than likely not and you'll launch into some racist rant about wiggers or something.
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Not exactly.... but it has flaws.
Keep my shit straight?! READ MY ORIGINAL POST IN RESPONSE TO THAT ARTICLE. THATS WHERE I SAID THAT.
It doesn't prove shit when it doesn't mention ANYTHING about pitchers WAR and this is an argument about pitchers....
Where does it have a problem with pitchers then? Quote it. Wow me right now.
Did you read that article? It was mostly about UZR...
If they all suck, then why should we use any of them?
What's with all the comments about me being racist? Saying wigger isn't being racist. There's a difference between hating black people and hating ignorant people. My best friend is black, so it'd be pretty hard for me to hate black people.
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1. Jerry Hairston Jr.
2. Ronny Cedeno
3. Felix Pie
4. LaTroy Hawkins
5. Kosuke Fukudome
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Wrong again.
Yes, Hitler.
Yes, because pitchers WAR clearly wouldn't be flawed if WAR in general is flawed? Are you mentally unstable?
Extrapolate the problems to pitchers. Have you seen the massive differences in WAR between certain sites and what pitchers do?
WAR sucks. It can't even be calculated ONE way. different places have different factors. On top of this defense is the WORST area to try and figure WAR at. What is pitchers WAR heavily based on? Oh yeah, the defensive side of the game. It's tough enough to separate offensive performance based on context of lineup blah blah blah, let alone separate a pitcher on defense(which WAR is terrible for as shown) from his other teammates. I've seen numerous seasons where some pitchers are top 20 WAR pitchers on one side, then a below replacement level on the other. Pitchers WAR is laughably bad even compared to position player WAR. I mean for **** sakes I think Fangraphs WAR doesn't even factor in hits allowed. I think all BR uses is runs allowed really. I'm sorry but if you can;t see why pitchers WAR is worthless I would question your sanity.
If you seriously don't understand what this article was getting at about WAR in general I feel bad for you.
It actually wasn't.
Did you read the other articles on the site that were linked in it?
DING!
What's with you being racist?
It actually is. Especially when you say you "hate" someone because of it.
Dip shit.
Typical response of a closet racist.
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Not sure there is "a line" if you are allowed to "hate" someone for acting like another race.
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Not sure there is "a line" if you are allowed to "hate" someone for acting like another race.
Hehe...we'll work on that :lol:
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