Wikileaks

[bubbleheadchief]

Is it wrong? yes. Should we know about it? No.

Sorry, CIA way overstepped themselves here. Although it hurts our image, it still needs to be out. CIA fucked up sending him to Syria....almos tlike an 'Oh ****, what do we do wiht him now" move.

 

[Rdrhwke]

 

[MassHavoc]

Is it wrong? yes. Should we know about it? No.

And on what basis shouldn't we know about it?

 

[Kerfuffle]

Wow. Just Wow.



You would rather not know your government is torturing completely innocent people?



I guess until they start doing it to white christians amiright?

MIstake are made and this was a crime against this person I will give you that. I don't know how they could undo that after it took place. But the part I disagree on is whether this should be public knowledge and to that I say no.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

Wow. Just Wow.



You would rather not know your government is torturing completely innocent people?



I guess until they start doing it to white christians amiright?

No kidding. We shouldn't know about stuff like the torture of innocent people? Wow.

 

[Kerfuffle]

And on what basis shouldn't we know about it?

If it was happening over and over again then we've got a bigger problem that needs to be called out and that should be known. But isolated incidents and mistakes, however horrible they may be should remain classified. Also an internal investigation could be opened that addresses what went wrong and put in controls to prevent it from happening again. I just don't believe blaming the entire US government for an isolated incident and then publicizing it to the world does anyone any good.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

Whoa whoa......that short little snippet of quotation doesnt say our wonderfully nice guys in the CIA actually tortured him...semantics maybe, but it doesnt say they did, says to me the syrians did.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

If it was happening over and over again then we've got a bigger problem that needs to be called out and that should be known. But isolated incidents and mistakes, however horrible they may be should remain classified. Also an internal investigation could be opened that addresses what went wrong and put in controls to prevent it from happening again. I just don't believe blaming the entire US government for an isolated incident and then publicizing it to the world does anyone any good.

No, God Dammit, we **** up we admit to it......for fucks sake, that is what i teach my son.....don't lie about something you did, that only makes it worse.



Plausible Deniability is something a fucking intel guy made up to protect his own ass.

 

[TSD]

MIstake are made and this was a crime against this person I will give you that. I don't know how they could undo that after it took place. But the part I disagree on is whether this should be public knowledge and to that I say no.

Give me a reason why it shouldnt be public knoweldge.

 

[R K]

No, God Dammit, we **** up we admit to it......for fucks sake, that is what i teach my son.....don't lie about something you did, that only makes it worse.

+1

 

[phranchk]

Whoa whoa......that short little snippet of quotation doesnt say our wonderfully nice guys in the CIA actually tortured him...semantics maybe, but it doesnt say they did, says to me the syrians did.

Yeah, but he was sent there knowing full well he would be tortured. That pretty much the same thing.

 

[Kerfuffle]

Give me a reason why it shouldnt be public knoweldge.

I believe you wrote your post here while I was typing out my response to MassHavoc. see post #167 above - I think that answers your question

 

[TSD]

Whoa whoa......that short little snippet of quotation doesnt say our wonderfully nice guys in the CIA actually tortured him...semantics maybe, but it doesnt say they did, says to me the syrians did.

you are absolutely correct. A US government employee did not torture him.



But really bubble, that is semantics. Its like kidnapping a girl and locking her up in a basement and letting someone else rape her, the kidnapper is just as much if not more responsible for the whole situation.

 

[MassHavoc]

If it was happening over and over again then we've got a bigger problem that needs to be called out and that should be known. But isolated incidents and mistakes, however horrible they may be should remain classified. Also an internal investigation could be opened that addresses what went wrong and put in controls to prevent it from happening again. I just don't believe blaming the entire US government for an isolated incident and then publicizing it to the world does anyone any good.

Yes, but the mere fact that there are procedures in place that allow this to happen out of routine, should be enough evidence that shows this is not an isolated incident.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

Yeah, but he was sent there knowing full well he would be tortured. That pretty much the same thing.

Honestly, you're making a supposition wiht that. We werent there to knwo what was actually said when they turned him over to the Syrians. They are well known for saying one thing to us, and turning around and doing the exact fucking opposite.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

you are absolutely correct. A US government employee did not torture him.



But really bubble, that is semantics. Its like kidnapping a girl and locking her up in a basement and letting someone else rape her, the kidnapper is just as much if not more responsible for the whole situation.

To parrot fluff, read my one answer might be above this.

 

[MassHavoc]

I believe you wrote your post here while I was typing out my response to MassHavoc. see post #167 above - I think that answers your question

Actually it doesn't. Other than egg on their face, what is the harm in releasing it?

 

[MassHavoc]

Honestly, you're making a supposition wiht that. We werent there to knwo what was actually said when they turned him over to the Syrians. They are well known for saying one thing to us, and turning around and doing the exact fucking opposite.

And so are we, hence this thread....

 

[TSD]

I believe you wrote your post here while I was typing out my response to MassHavoc. see post #167 above - I think that answers your question

I see your point, but you trust the CIA to monitor and correct itself. I don't, that is why it should come out.



You assume its an isolated incident. How many foreign nationals has the CIA done this to that arent citizens of a 1st world nation, and get no voice and or are killed after their wrongful imprisonment and torture? Who the **** knows, maybe it was just one maybe it wasnt, we will never know because we dont know who the **** they pick up and stick in torture holes.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

Actually it doesn't. Other than egg on their face, what is the harm in releasing it?

Exactly. There is no huge security interest that I can imagine. Seems the only reason not to release the info was that it made the government look bad. Well, to me, NOT releasing that info makes the government look even worse.