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If I had to guess, the Rays will be a better matchup.
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I really want Salazar
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With the depth the cubs now have in AAA, I honestly don't think an Archer/Fernandez type trade is out of the question. Obviously the Rays/Marlins likely would have to actually be realistic in their offers. But just consider the some what useless(for the cubs anyways) parts in the high minors. You have Vogelbach who's never going to unseat Rizzo. You have Villanueva who while not exactly an amazing player can be a second division 3B on the cheap. You have Candleario who's maybe a better 3B than Villanueva but sorta falls in a similar hole. You have Alcantara who I still like a lot and you can use in a bench role but if the right trade comes around is still a pretty good talent. You have Mark Zagunis who's likely a sub-optimal corner guy but who hit .271/.406/.412 in A+ last season and likely starts in AA. You have Billy McKinney who's likely a better version of Zagunis with similar issues.
And all of that is before even mentioning you could still deal both Baez and Soler. A trade of something like Baez + Soler + Villanueva + Hammel + one of the names above should basically be enough to acquire any pitcher who's actually available in a trade.
And all of that is before even mentioning you could still deal both Baez and Soler. A trade of something like Baez + Soler + Villanueva + Hammel + one of the names above should basically be enough to acquire any pitcher who's actually available in a trade.
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How many years of control would the Cubs have with Fernandez? His agent is Boras and will probably ask for 10/$300M when his time comes. Baez + Soler + Top Prospect is a lot to give up.
Also, I'm pretty sure Marlins would want Bryant in order to give up Fernandez.
Also, I'm pretty sure Marlins would want Bryant in order to give up Fernandez.
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3 if they did it this offseason. And to be clear wasn't specifically saying it had to be him just that level of elite pitcher. If for whatever reason Sale comes up he works...etc. Obviously most of these top end guys are untradable for the price teams will want but if we get to the point where they are reasonable, the cubs have the players to make it happen.
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The biggest rumor right now is that the Cubs are trying to sign Hayward and simultaneously trade Soler.
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Now what sense does that make?
Better not be trading Soler for some lame hitting CF and we already have more P's than we can put on the roster.
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Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 2m2 minutes ago
Source: #Mets agree to trade Niese to #Pirates for Walker, pending medical reviews.
Source: #Mets agree to trade Niese to #Pirates for Walker, pending medical reviews.
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the plan would be heyward in CF for the beginning of the contract. RF would be played by a mix of coghlan, baez, zobrist. I think cubs can and will pull of the heyward deal. give him an opt out clause after year 3 or 4 of the deal and kind of hope he does opt out so you are free of the contract in a few years and got some prime years of him without any down years in his mid 30's at the end of the deal
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That's all great. But you didn't tell me why you would need to simultaneously trade Soler in that grand plan.
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free up a lil $$$ to compensate for all the $$ to heyward. get a young controllable arm for soler. and like I DID mention you play a mix of coghlan, zobrist, baez, etc in RF to replace soler. if soler stays on the team then what do you do with coghlan for example? the outfield is full and has guys like baez and zobrist cutting into playing time out there as well
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An opt out clause = He's good, he leaves. He's not, he stays.
Is that a good thing?
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You answered WHAT they could do IF they traded Soler. You didn't answer WHY they should trade Soler.
And "to make room for Coghlan" isn't an adequate answer. (No offense to Coghlan, who I like.)
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to a degree that's true. but if you structure it financially to where its front loaded then he would more than likely still opt out even if he has been average. guys like to be FA at that 30 year old range
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Doesn't have to be that simple. My thoughts are a smart organization tips the balance of the deal toward the back end to avoid it. I laid out an example in another thread which basically made the first 5 years of the reported 10 years he's looking for a 5 year $90 mil deal and the second half a 5 year $110 mil. That gets you to the $200 mil over 10 that's being thrown around and if Heyward opts out early you're getting him cheap for a couple of years.
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actually try again, I mentioned to free up some $$ to compensate for signing heyward. go get up somebody elses ass cuz im not in the mood for nitpicking
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You do realize that Soler has a cap of only $3.6 mill. What are you going to get back of equatable value for less than that to free up a few pennies?
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so you think if the cubs sign heyward then they keep both soler and baez? I sure as hell don't. considering soler is making a good big more than baez I would guess it to be him that would go
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CBS Sports Chicago and the sun times said Atlanta wanted Bryant for Miller
http://chicago.suntimes.com/basebal...king-kris-bryant-potential-shelby-miller-deal
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I would have hung the phone up on ATL, if that was the case.