World Series IGT: Chicago Cubs vs. Cleveland Indians Game 3

[chibears55]

FWIW the cubs were 46-34 on the road for a .575 win%. Cleveland as a whole had a .584 win%. Not sure going on the road matter so much as it means the cubs are down in the series games. If they beat Kluber tomorrow then they are facing Bauer(vs Lester) who they already beat and Tomlin(vs Arrieta) again for game 6. Obviously he pessimist will wonder how on earth the cubs could possibly beat Kluber after he dominated them game one. I'd present that we literally saw Kershaw do this in the previous series and the cubs dominated him in game 6.

I mean sure I get the disappointment in losing but people need to get a grip. The cubs could easily beat Kluber. Cleveland hasn't been that amazing hitting either. The 2 runs in the first of game 1 were flukey. And obviously Rondon blew up for 3 runs later in the game but it's not like they pounded lester when he was in. Game 2 they were largely ineffective. Tonight they scored a single run.

Sure they can beat Kluber, but we thought they could beat Tomlin tonight..

Getting shutout tonight just brings that confidence level down a notch for tomorrow night..
Plus
Yea, maybe they score a couple of him
But
Lackey hasn't exactly been great himself

Tonight was a big game to win, losing 1 zip just made it harder to deal with.



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[CRM 114]

Look at the bright side

What bright side? That the Indians will put the Cubs out of their misery soon?

 

[beckdawg]

Sure they can beat Kluber, but we thought they could beat Tomlin tonight..

Getting shutout tonight just brings that confidence level down a notch for tomorrow night..
Plus
Yea, maybe they score a couple of him
But
Lackey hasn't exactly been great himself

Tonight was a big game to win, losing 1 zip just made it harder to deal with.



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Losing 1-0 has no impact on tomorrow. Literally none. I mean come on man you've been here all season. You've seen them go through that tough stretch before the all star break. You've seen them go down 2-1 to the dodgers with the possibility of facing Kershaw and Hill games 6/7. There's simply no reason to be so down over one game. If they lose tomorrow I could understand this level of fear and angst. But at least let them play the fucking game before people throw dirt on their grave. This team beat Kershaw. It beat Bumgarner. It's beat numerous other quality starters throughout the course of the season. We know it can happen. And to be honest, I'm no even sure the cubs need 4-5 runs. If they get 2-3 I think Cleveland will have trouble scoring because other than Ramirez and Lindor they aren't really knocking the cover off the ball either.

 

[FatBabiesHaveNoPride]

And I'm sure I could list any number of 1 run games the Yankees have lost in he world series. I mean i get it you care more because it hasn't happened but my point is you're putting more impact on the loss because of something entirely outside of baseball. Good teams lose 1 run games in the world series. The cubs were never going to miraculously avoid that because that's baseball. The cubs have won 3 straight over a dozen times this year and there's no reason to think that is impossible here. Hell they don't even have to win 3 straight just 3 of 4.

This isn't a 'good team loses by 1 run' scenario. You are underestimating things. This team just got shut out for the2nd time in 3 ws games. They've been shut out 4 of the last post season games. That simp,y doesn't happen.

They went 0for 15 with men on base.

They now have their #4 going against Cleveland's #1 who just shut them out

This is reality

 

[Goose22]

Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to the opposing pitching staff (ie. Kershaw in Game 2, Hill in Game 3 of the NLCS, and Kluber in Game 1 of the WS.) The Cleveland pitching staff has been lights out all post season, so it is not like the Cubs are the only team struggling against the Tribe's pitching. This team has answered the call with their "backs against the wall" situations throughout the post season to this point.

I hope Lackey comes out tomorrow and can be the "kick in the ass" this team needed in Game 4 of the NLCS! The team needed it in Game 4 in the NLCS and they need the same thing tomorrow. Hopefully, the bats heat up and the ball gets eyes and starts falling in gaps instead of right at somebody. If we win tomorrow, I like our pitching matchups in Games 5 and 6. I will never give up on this team (or any Cubs team for that matter) and no way I am going to be "Chicken Little" 3 games into the WS. Tomorrow becomes extremely important and hopefully we can put the pressure on Kluber early by smart at bats and even some timely small ball by Madden. Here is to Lackey pitching a gem tomorrow and the Cubbies getting on Kluber early and get in his head in case this series goes to a game 7! Go Cubs Go!

 

[chibears55]

Losing 1-0 has no impact on tomorrow. Literally none. I mean come on man you've been here all season. You've seen them go through that tough stretch before the all star break. You've seen them go down 2-1 to the dodgers with the possibility of facing Kershaw and Hill games 6/7. There's simply no reason to be so down over one game. If they lose tomorrow I could understand this level of fear and angst. But at least let them play the fucking game before people throw dirt on their grave. This team beat Kershaw. It beat Bumgarner. It's beat numerous other quality starters throughout the course of the season. We know it can happen. And to be honest, I'm no even sure the cubs need 4-5 runs. If they get 2-3 I think Cleveland will have trouble scoring because other than Ramirez and Lindor they aren't really knocking the cover off the ball either.

Thing is , what they did during season means nothing compared to now because they had a sizeable lead and plenty of games left to right themselves..
Now, they need to get it going tomorrow, to be able to win 3 of 4, otherwise it'll be very very hard to win 3 in row.

The score don't but the loss does..
The loss made tomorow game a pretty much must win..

Losing 1 zip sucks because going in, you figured the bats would score a few runs off Tomlin and they wasted a good start by Hendricks and bullpen by not scoring any runs.

Again.. Not that I have zero confidence but it not as high as it was before the results of tonight.

Their going to face a pitcher who dominated them a game after being shutout for 2nd time in 3 games..
And
Sure, they could score a couple
But
My confidence in Lackey to be able to hold the Indians down isnt exactly high..
So..
Not only do we need to hope the bats can put it together and score a few off Kluber
Also
Need to hope Lackey can have a good outing, which he really hasn't yet this postseason



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[CRM 114]

Losing 1-0 has no impact on tomorrow. Literally none. I mean come on man you've been here all season. You've seen them go through that tough stretch before the all star break. You've seen them go down 2-1 to the dodgers with the possibility of facing Kershaw and Hill games 6/7. There's simply no reason to be so down over one game. If they lose tomorrow I could understand this level of fear and angst. But at least let them play the fucking game before people throw dirt on their grave. This team beat Kershaw. It beat Bumgarner. It's beat numerous other quality starters throughout the course of the season. We know it can happen. And to be honest, I'm no even sure the cubs need 4-5 runs. If they get 2-3 I think Cleveland will have trouble scoring because other than Ramirez and Lindor they aren't really knocking the cover off the ball either.

Cubs showed tonight that even with the most favorable of conditions (warm weather, wind blowing out, Cy young contender vs terrible pitcher) that they can't even score one run nonetheless 2-3. Shutout time and time again. This must be a playoff record. This team should never be getting shutout.

 

[ijustposthere]

There were 7 times the Indians lost 3 straight this year. I think you meant to say they have not lost MORE than 3 straight all year. That is true.

Idk, I heard it on mlb network or espn or one of these world series coverage shows. Probably what they said.

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[ijustposthere]

19 of the 27 outs were hit in play. They "hit the fucking ball"..... right at people.

Lot of weak contact though, that's what is frustrating. Just got to get em tomorrow. It's only 2-1, but I really didn't want tomorrows game to be a must win with how klubers been pitching.

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[TC in Mississippi]

If they beat Kluber tonight then the series is tied exactly as I thought it would be. Last night sucked but this is the World Series and baseball is going to baseball. This is a resilient team. Let's just play the games before we pack it in.

 

[Parade_Rain]

John Lackey is pretty much the only player I can think of that shows genuine emotion and passion. Bryant certainly doesn't. He just walks to the plate. Watches a first pitch strike. Swings on a second one and misses. Takes a ball. Then swing on one in the dirt and just has an empty stare and goes back to the dugout. I just don't see anyone firing the team up except pretty much for Lackey. He holds people accountable and I hope tomorrow night that he lights them up. They let ground balls by them tonight when Hendricks was on the mound and if they had done that with Lackey up there he'd be lighting in to them. Rightly so. He understand how little room for error there is right now. They don't. At least that's what it looks like to me. Out of curiosity, who do you consider the emotional leader of this team? Or even just emotional in general?

This team shows plenty of emotion. Specifically to what you've mentioned about Bryant, why does he need to show emotion that he struck out? Is he supposed to cry and whine at each pitch that doesn't go his way? Is he supposed to snap his bat across his knee when he strikes out to please the fans? Is he supposed to get a tear in his eye and let the pitcher know he's his *****? A hitter needs to remain confident in himself through thick and thin no matter how frustrating individual AB's may be. Overall, it seems to me that you think emotions win ball games. They don't. Bosco even went out to the mound last game to calm Lackey down. Baseball is not football.

 

[bamainatlanta]

ESPN touting this as Francona outcoaching Maddon. True or not?

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

BS. It's on the players. Indians peaking right time and operating at 100%. Kluber + Tomlin have been outright better than Lester + Hendricks. Miller + Allen operating similar to a Chapman. And they can get 3-4 innings of work in any given game. Pitching on track to winning them a WS if Cubs can't transcend themselves tonight.

It is on the players Cleveland outpitched and out hit the Cubs last nite, but it can turn the other way despite what all of the doomsayers are saying ...series over, 1 loss smh.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

ESPN touting this as Francona outcoaching Maddon. True or not?

This game was less about Francona and more about Tomlin, Miller, Shaw, etc shutting our guys down.

We had far too many awful at-bats by our big guys (Rizzo, Russell, Baez, Bryant and even Zobrist's last one).

Managing didn't win or lose the game.


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[ijustposthere]

You realize this was literally the same situation the cubs ran into with the dodgers right? Obviously game 1 and two were flipped but Kershaw dominated the cubs bats game 2 just Kluber dominated them game 1. And the next time through the cubs beat Kershaw. There's no guarantees the cubs will win tomorrow but the point here is that works both ways. There's no guarantee Kluber is sharp.

What exactly are the cubs supposed to have done differently? I don't care who the starter is, if you have a .190 BABIP against any pitcher over 6.1 IP you're gonna lose games. The point is you don't really control where the ball goes once it's in play. Some days they land. Some days they are straight at guys.

Not the same situation, at all. Sure, down 2-1 is the same, but they weren't facing Kershaw down 2-1. Not to mention, Kershaw was overhyped anyway, guy was only good in game 2 of the NLCS. Also, the BABIP was so low because the Cubs were making a ton of weak contact. I felt better about the bats after Game 1 than I do after last night. That was a complete shit show offensively.

 

[Parade_Rain]

ESPN touting this as Francona outcoaching Maddon. True or not?

ESPN is tabloid journalism.

 

[ijustposthere]

ESPN touting this as Francona outcoaching Maddon. True or not?

LOL. Definitely false. I think the games have been managed great by both guys. Players lost this one.

 

[anotheridiot]

Two of the best pitching performances of the post season, kyle in stress filled situations, neither make it to 5 innings.

 

[Omeletpants]

ESPN is tabloid journalism.

ESPN has been sucking off the Cubs all series and year. They finally say one nice thing about the Indians and you freak out. LOLOLOLO

 

[ijustposthere]

ESPN has been sucking off the Cubs all series and year. They finally say one nice thing about the Indians and you freak out. LOLOLOLO

Not just ESPN. Pretty much everyone.