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Honestly even if Rose never get injured in the Philadelphia series the Bulls still would've lost to miami.....like rip hamilton would be the x factor in getting to the finals? Lmao
 

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Honestly even if Rose never get injured in the Philadelphia series the Bulls still would've lost to miami.....like rip hamilton would be the x factor in getting to the finals? Lmao
When he was healthy the team actually looked really good. Too bad he was never healthy.
 

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Well Statistically that 2011-12 team was a Top 5 offense and defense (O rating was 5th, D rating was 2nd, however they were 18th in PPG)... However, while Deng made the All-Star team, they were still really lacking in my opinion as a team with options.

Boston was a terrible offensive team but a great defensive team. I think they could have shut down Rose and then made everyone else do something. The team wasn't very good at that when Rose was shut down. I don't think we would have saw a 08-09 rematch of Boston vs Chicago either.
 

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https://twitter.com/kcjhoop/status/522108766343282689

Here you go.

Noah has also stated similar things. I think Noah has stated things that are dismissive of his coach and probably worse.

Saying you are "numb to it" does not mean you tune it out. I see it more so as him saying it doesn't bother him. I think Anytime is taking it way out of context.

Rose's comments about the team sucking are completely valid, regardless of how he has played(or not played). Hes there on the court, clearly has experience in basketball and is saying things arent right. I appreciate that as a fan. Then, they said practice was canceled today. Idk if thats normal, but it seems weird because theres no game till Thursday and they definitely need to work on some things.
I hate to compare the Bulls to the Bears this season, but it seems like theyre kinda at a low point and it will either be something they grind out of together and get stronger, or let it linger and weigh them down.
 

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Saying you are "numb to it" does not mean you tune it out. I see it more so as him saying it doesn't bother him. I think Anytime is taking it way out of context.

Rose's comments about the team sucking are completely valid, regardless of how he has played(or not played). Hes there on the court, clearly has experience in basketball and is saying things arent right. I appreciate that as a fan. Then, they said practice was canceled today. Idk if thats normal, but it seems weird because theres no game till Thursday and they definitely need to work on some things.
I hate to compare the Bulls to the Bears this season, but it seems like theyre kinda at a low point and it will either be something they grind out of together and get stronger, or let it linger and weigh them down.
At this point I see it coming down to chemistry. We want to over examine what's going wrong out there on the court and from a lot of what I see its failing to communicate on defense and then running a stubborn offense.

A lot of these guys haven't played together, so there may be a chemistry issue brewing. There's a lot of new guys in the mix. Rose hasn't really played together with any of these players outside of Noah and Gibson. Gasol is new to everyone obviously. Butler, Gibson, and Noah have played together the past few years, as has Hinrich. But overall there's a lot of pieces to fit together here. And yes, I'm aware the 2010-11 team had a lot of new faces as well that hadn't played together. The core of that team had though.

As far as the worse defense, I refuse to believe a one trick pony with a fade away jumper, who turned over the ball all the time, who always let his guy go by on defense and always yelled at the starting center to "grab dat" referring to the rebound who was replaced by a post up offensive player who can also do the fade away jumper, rebound better, and block shots is our reason for no longer being a top defense. But, I don't really know what the problem is overall.
 

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At this point I see it coming down to chemistry. We want to over examine what's going wrong out there on the court and from a lot of what I see its failing to communicate on defense and then running a stubborn offense.

A lot of these guys haven't played together, so there may be a chemistry issue brewing. There's a lot of new guys in the mix. Rose hasn't really played together with any of these players outside of Noah and Gibson. Gasol is new to everyone obviously. Butler, Gibson, and Noah have played together the past few years, as has Hinrich. But overall there's a lot of pieces to fit together here. And yes, I'm aware the 2010-11 team had a lot of new faces as well that hadn't played together. The core of that team had though.

As far as the worse defense, I refuse to believe a one trick pony with a fade away jumper, who turned over the ball all the time, who always let his guy go by on defense and always yelled at the starting center to "grab dat" referring to the rebound who was replaced by a post up offensive player who can also do the fade away jumper, rebound better, and block shots is our reason for no longer being a top defense. But, I don't really know what the problem is overall.

Agreed. The Bulls are definitly going through a rough stretch, but in no way is boozers absence hurting. In no way.
 

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Cleveland went through quite the rough stretch too...actually pretty similar to what we see the Bulls doing now. People seem to think they're ok. BUT THEY HAVE LEBRON SO COMPARISON FAIL
 

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My opinion is that Thibs needs to adjust, like I said. It looks (and sounds to me) like he's already lost Rose. Once you start getting tuned out by your best players, it's the beginning of the end for a coach.


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Who says that he lost Rose? If Rose is lost, then it is his fault and not anyone else. It is something else that is going on. I think that they just might have gotten caught up in all of this Rose hoopla and how Gasol came out of the gate and figured it was going to be easy all of a sudden. I think that the league has figured out that this team cannot defend in the back court and without Noah healthy they have no heart underneath. That is not a coaching problem, that is an attitude problem. Someone needs to tear Rose and Gasol a new asshole and commit to playing defense.
 

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Defense is an equally important element of basketball. However, you can't win championships if your emphasis is largely limited to one side of the court. You need really good two-way players to make that work.

Multiple guys in your starting rotation who are versatile enough to defend and score. We could go back and forth all day on this. The bottomline for me is Thib's system is not working, and these guys aren't getting any younger or healthier. Saying they're not working hard enough to be successful is outrageous. Work them any harder and you might have to sign guys off the street by the time playoffs come around. It's self-defeat really. The goal should be to make the other team work harder, not yours. Work smarter, not harder.


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So.........what system would work? And if Thibs is not a good coach for this team, then by all means fire him. Who would you like to replace him with? It is pretty funny to me that guys like us think that the solution to fixing a team that is struggling with stuff like: "make the other team work harder, not yours" and "work smarter not harder". Exactly how does one make a basketball team work smarter not harder?

Every damn coach in the NBA has been a successful coach somewhere and has years of experience piled up. They also have their own system(s) that they are going to have their teams play in. There are no exceptions that I know of. Thibs system is built on tough defense and rebounding the ball. This team has gotten away from that. Rose hasn't bought in and neither has Gasol. If they won't do it, then the Bulls are done and there is no getting away from it. The Bulls need to start growing their balls once again and impose their own wills on people. Otherewise just go sulk in a room and count their money. When they knock a guard down, they need to knock a couple of theirs down. Maybe get into a fight or two. But this pissant defense is not going to get it.
 

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You trade all the players before you fire Thibs.
 

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I don't think Rose and Gasol buying in is the problem.

When the Bulls lost to the Wizards last season Butler stated he has never been so tired in his entire life and Noah stated that Thibs needed to limit the players minutes and reduce the work.

In preseason Noah stated that Thibs needed to relax.

In the regular season Noah responded to a question with "Thibs being Thibs". that is flat out dismissive of the coach. Noah is the leader of this team. If he has become deaf to Thibs and is dismissive because he no longer trusts the coach to regulate the work load, then the team will look like it does.

I am not saying that the team had a meeting and said we will regulate the work load ourselves because we don't trust the coach too.

I think that if Noah is saying it to the media then others are thinking it. If that is the case there is a good chance it can spill over to the court, even without people organizing against Thibs. My guess is that the players still have a lot of faith and trust in thibs.

At some point though people will start to question. When a coach keeps saying do it my way even through pain and we will win players will believe. The problem is they have not won in the playoffs in a long time. Can a coach keep asking guys to play and practice like he does, lose badly in the playoffs, and not have doubt creep in?

This is kind of the natural byproduct of the recent Bulls history.
 

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Who says that he lost Rose? If Rose is lost, then it is his fault and not anyone else. It is something else that is going on. I think that they just might have gotten caught up in all of this Rose hoopla and how Gasol came out of the gate and figured it was going to be easy all of a sudden. I think that the league has figured out that this team cannot defend in the back court and without Noah healthy they have no heart underneath. That is not a coaching problem, that is an attitude problem. Someone needs to tear Rose and Gasol a new asshole and commit to playing defense.

Who said anything about being lost? I said he is starting to tune Thibs out, something even you suggested in another thread. Rose has admitted this publicly, so there is nothing to decode or interpret; it is what it is.

He may not be at the disillusionment stage yet, but he's clearly headed in that direction. He has, however, become much more vocal in his frustration with how the season is going than he ever was in the past. He's obviously not thrilled with Thib's schtick at this stage in his career.

My little take on it is that Thibs calling the Bulls out constantly for not working hard enough may be falling on deaf ears with the team at this point. Years of this nonsense has to grate on Roses nerves, considering what he has gone thru.


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I don't think Rose and Gasol buying in is the problem.

When the Bulls lost to the Wizards last season Butler stated he has never been so tired in his entire life and Noah stated that Thibs needed to limit the players minutes and reduce the work.

In preseason Noah stated that Thibs needed to relax.

In the regular season Noah responded to a question with "Thibs being Thibs". that is flat out dismissive of the coach. Noah is the leader of this team. If he has become deaf to Thibs and is dismissive because he no longer trusts the coach to regulate the work load, then the team will look like it does.

I am not saying that the team had a meeting and said we will regulate the work load ourselves because we don't trust the coach too.

I think that if Noah is saying it to the media then others are thinking it. If that is the case there is a good chance it can spill over to the court, even without people organizing against Thibs. My guess is that the players still have a lot of faith and trust in thibs.

At some point though people will start to question. When a coach keeps saying do it my way even through pain and we will win players will believe. The problem is they have not won in the playoffs in a long time. Can a coach keep asking guys to play and practice like he does, lose badly in the playoffs, and not have doubt creep in?

This is kind of the natural byproduct of the recent Bulls history.

Butler played those minutes because he had to. We had no depth to adequately replace him on the court. When Rose was "calling out bulls" out of frustration, he was saying we're, as in the players, were not playing with energy or communicating on the court. He puts the blame on himself and the other players on the court.

Thibs has arguably the best NBA mind for defenses, it's the player's not executing on defense.

Bulls will be fine after the all star break and will compete in the playoffs. I think it's getting a little dramatic in here. I agree this is concerning, but at least both players/coaches have addressed the issue. I think they are just in a bad slump and will get out of it eventually.
 

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Who cares about "competing" in the playoffs? They do that every year. Half the league will make the playoffs, that's not an accomlishment, especially for this team and this coach.


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Who cares about "competing" in the playoffs? They do that every year. Half the league will make the playoffs, that's not an accomlishment, especially for this team and this coach.


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Team should stop competing for the playoffs. Got it.
 

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