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[dlrob315]

I just can't imagine there isn't a team out there willing to trade for him though. I wouldn't buy him out, period. The Hawks are fine with his cap hit.



I wonder if any teams will try buying out their players and restructuring their contracts to circumvent the cap. Teams would be stupid not to take advantage of that.

I heard there is a 35 to 40 day wait (a la Lyndsey Hunter rule) to re-sign a player bought out....not sure just hearsay on my part but I wouldn't consider that a circumvention nor loophole.

 

[Ton]

I heard there is a 35 to 40 day wait (a la Lyndsey Hunter rule) to re-sign a player bought out....not sure just hearsay on my part but I wouldn't consider that a circumvention nor loophole.

I think it could be... imagine they buy out Hossa, then re-sign him for $2-3M per year for the next 4-5 years after the waiting period. if it's only 35-40 days that's not a big deal. Why wouldn't Hossa want to do that? Blackhawks would be on the hook for 2/3's of his contract anyway, all the Hawks would need to do is offer him another contract that is equal to or slightly greater than 1/3rd of his contract. And that's how some teams can get out of cap trouble... counting only 1/3rd of the money they are paying a player against the cap.

 

[dlrob315]

I think it could be... imagine they buy out Hossa, then re-sign him for $2-3M per year for the next 4-5 years after the waiting period. Why wouldn't Hossa want to do that? Blackhawks would be on the hook for 2/3's of his contract anyway, all the Hawks would need to do is offer him a cap number that is equal to or greater than 1/3rd of his contract.

Or the Preds who have cap space offer him 4 or 5m for 3 yrs. That would be the problem of putting Hossa out their in the free market.



Or something even crazier. Using your scenario of re-signing Hossa 3m for 5 yrs. They buy out that contract in summer of 2014 for 7.92m, which would total 29m in buyouts + the 3m from the one season under the new contract; that would total 32m. That 32m will match the money left on his present contract. Then cap it off by signing him for 7 yrs @ $900,000....now that is some circumvention.

 

[R K]

If hossa were to retire say when his salary drops in 2016, it would cost the Hawks 3.2 mil in cap space until 2021. Just food for thought.

 

[R K]

I think it could be... imagine they buy out Hossa, then re-sign him for $2-3M per year for the next 4-5 years after the waiting period. if it's only 35-40 days that's not a big deal. Why wouldn't Hossa want to do that? Blackhawks would be on the hook for 2/3's of his contract anyway, all the Hawks would need to do is offer him another contract that is equal to or slightly greater than 1/3rd of his contract. And that's how some teams can get out of cap trouble... counting only 1/3rd of the money they are paying a player against the cap.

If you were Following "hawkscap" on twitter, instead of Tab, you might see a pretty valid arguement on Hossa next year.

 

[Ashor-redtribe]

Players I would not mind gone after this season are Bolland,Crawford( if he is still letting soft goals), Monti, Bicks which I feel could be much better if he used his size.

 

[Ton]

Hossa will make over $75M in his career on player contracts alone (not to mention big market revenue he's made in Chicago and most-likely Ottawa and Detroit)... would a difference of $2-3M lure him away? Into a smaller market, less sponsors, not as marketable, not a hockey city, the list goes on... I don't know about that. The biggest question would be, where does he want to raise his family, kids, etc...

 

[R K]

Better find a Center if Bolland is going. Since we are already lacking one, you will then be lacking two.

 

[R K]

Hossa will make over $75M in his career on player contracts alone (not to mention big market revenue he's made in Chicago and most-likely Ottawa and Detroit)... would a difference of $2-3M lure him away? Into a smaller market, less sponsors, not as marketable, not a hockey city, the list goes on... I don't know about that. The biggest question would be, where does he want to raise his family, kids, etc...

Again Hossa seriously considered retirement after the Torres hit last year. If he retires at any point before 2016 it will cost the Hawks 3.2 million in Cap space until 2021. Is that worth the risk? I don't know.

 

[supraman]

People talking trades, Hossa being mentioned saddens me, he is my favorite player on the Hawks. I would hate to see him go if he is traded, He sets such a tone on the ice with drawing double coverage and still managing to get open and scoring. I don't know, There are other players I feel I would let go before him, I guess health could be a factor too.

I believe Hossa is worth more in trade than he is on the ice. I think a player, pick and prospect would be great for him.

 

[R K]

I would certainly try to deal him before buying him out for sure. Alot would depend on how he plays this year, and what the CBA writing on penalizing retiring players is.



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[Ashor-redtribe]

I guess finding out how he plays this year would help in his trade value. BUT only playing 48 games would almost be missleading since its not a full season in heath issues.

 

[PatrickShart]

Better find a Center if Bolland is going. Since we are already lacking one, you will then be lacking two.

Kruger will be replacing him..lol



That line never gets old..

 

[TSD]

Seriously Bolland is fine as a 3RD line center....there is no reason to deal him..we just need to acquire a true 2nd line C.

 

[Ton]

If you were Following "hawkscap" on twitter, instead of Tab, you might see a pretty valid arguement on Hossa next year.

It's an interesting argument, are you reading what I'm saying or just assuming I'm writing it off?



Even if the Hawks trade Hossa, they would still be on the hook for the penalty if he retires early. Anyway, I don't know what that guy did with his math, but it's wrong. If Hossa retired in the summer of 2017 the Hawks would owe $17,100,000 over the next 4 years which is actually $4.275M cap hit per year. His math prior to 2016 is correct but 2017 and after it is a bit off.



Like I said, I would prefer the Hawks to buy him out and restructure his contract rather than trade him or let him walk.

 

[PatrickShart]

If Hosthe Hawks were to "buy out" Hossa at the end of the 2016 season...the cap hit would be -

• 2016-17: $1,808,333
  
• 2017-18: $4,808,333
  
• 2018-19: $4,808,333
  
• 2019-20: $4,808,333
  
• 2020-21: $4,808,333
  
• 2021-22: $533,333
  
• 2022-23: $533,333
  
• 2023-24: $533,333
  
• 2024-25: $533,333
  
• 2025-26: $533,333
  

I believe if a player retires, previously...his numbers do not count against a cap hit - unless the player signed the contract after their 35th birthday.

 

[R K]

This is the Blackhawks you are talking about. I read it and thougt it would never happen. And if he retires without that, and they are hit with 3.6 mil for the next 6 years that would be fucked.



I am not advocating anything this year. I would buy Olezs out in the summer then wait until the following summer to decide what I do with my 2nd buy out.

 

[EspoForever]

As long as they do a better job on keeping head injuries down...I'll be happy.

Head injuries will never go down until they get rid of the instigator penalty. Take a run at someone, hurt them, they retaliate, you get a PP. No repercussions for being a rat bastard.



Some rules against cement shoulder pads and elbow pads would not hurt either.

 

[R K]

If Hosthe Hawks were to "buy out" Hossa at the end of the 2016 season...the cap hit would be -

• 2016-17: $1,808,333
  
• 2017-18: $4,808,333
  
• 2018-19: $4,808,333
  
• 2019-20: $4,808,333
  
• 2020-21: $4,808,333
  
• 2021-22: $533,333
  
• 2022-23: $533,333
  
• 2023-24: $533,333
  
• 2024-25: $533,333
  
• 2025-26: $533,333
  

I believe if a player retires, previously...his numbers do not count against a cap hit - unless the player signed the contract after their 35th birthday.

I think there is wording in the new CBA specifically reguarding that which is why the discussion is going. After Wed, when the CBA is hopefully ratified (some owners are not happy according to what has been said) you'll know for sure what the wording is.

 

[R K]

Head injuries will never go down until they get rid of the instigator penalty. Take a run at someone, hurt them, they retaliate, you get a PP. No repercussions for being a rat bastard.



Some rules against cement shoulder pads and elbow pads would not hurt either.

Until Q actually allows his players to retaliate it doesn't matter. And other teams will continue to run them.