Yankees want Schwarber for Andrew Miller?

[TC in Mississippi]

more and more talk from sports sites (mlb/scoremobil/etc) that there are talks for Kyle for Miller. Stay tuned Cub Fans.

From Cubs Den (via Jeff Passan's piece)

Passan understands the Cubs reluctance to trade Schwarber for a reliever. Using the ZIPS module, Miller's upside is about 1.0 WAR for the remainder of this season and is signed for two more seasons. However, the same model projects Schwarber to be worth more than 4 wins in each of the next five seasons.

Passan also throws out the possibility of a Schwarber deal for both Miller and Aroldis Chapman, which would probably at least be cause for further discussion. But the Cubs Front Office isn't likely to be so short-sighted as Theo Epstein said this morning that it would be "foolish to be short-sighted and break that (core) up to incrementally increase our chances this year."

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2016/07/rumor-thread-cubs-like-chapman/#comment-284625

Bottom line is they aren't trading 20 WAR for 5 WAR. The thought is completely stupid.

 

[Omeletpants]

Sorry, it is not my intention to get personal here, but i have the background and experience to offer the following observation, based on said experience and what you have posted:

you suck balls at negotiating and have no clue what you're talking about. Sorry, truth.

Really? I have negotiated over 1 billion dollars of contracts. You know anyone like that? Sorry that your $15/hour job defines you

 

[chibears55]

From Cubs Den (via Jeff Passan's piece)

Passan understands the Cubs reluctance to trade Schwarber for a reliever. Using the ZIPS module, Miller's upside is about 1.0 WAR for the remainder of this season and is signed for two more seasons. However, the same model projects Schwarber to be worth more than 4 wins in each of the next five seasons.

Passan also throws out the possibility of a Schwarber deal for both Miller and Aroldis Chapman, which would probably at least be cause for further discussion. But the Cubs Front Office isn't likely to be so short-sighted as Theo Epstein said this morning that it would be "foolish to be short-sighted and break that (core) up to incrementally increase our chances this year."

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2016/07/rumor-thread-cubs-like-chapman/#comment-284625

Bottom line is they aren't trading 20 WAR for 5 WAR. The thought is completely stupid.

I understand the excitement of Schwarber but how does one project a player to be worth a 4 war after just 278 major league PA ?
yes the 16 HRs are a lot but he hit .246 and that was after a hot start.

His best months were in
June 23 PA .364
July 51 PA .302

He struggled alot in final 2 months aside hitting homers

Aug. 111 PA .221
Sept 88 PA .208

Just trying to figure out where they come up with their projection off of what he did last year..

Are they basing it mostly on his power potential, figuring he could be a 30+ guy..
because in the minimal sample size we have shows he not going to be much of an Average hitter.

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[RacerX]

Really? I have negotiated over 1 billion dollars of contracts. You know anyone like that? Sorry that your $15/hour job defines you

Why attempt a cruel reply? I told you it wasn't personal. And i think you must have some degree of confidence and belief that I don't earn $15/hour.

Your alleged billion dollars of deals doesn't impress me, I've made large investments and acquisitions for the past 25 years on a far larger scale than you have, and here's how and why i said you suck balls at negotiating: you speak in absolutes, and general/conventional logic. That's fine, but not in the world of deal-making where every (or at least the vast majority) of transactions contain so many variables that general rules rarely apply, or if they do apply in some fashion then they require massive tweaking.

The objective of any first-bid is to get the seller's attention, and hopefully lock them up. It't not about the crap you were rambling about - best bid, low bid, interim bid, whatever - just get the other party's attention, period.

And the mega-obvious "tell" where you disclosed to the world that you are in fact a 'tard in negotiating is your annual rants against trade-downs. Even an amateur knows that any trade - up, down, lateral - can be "won" or at least helpful. To avoid even considering such a transaction because you have a broken and faulty logic train for trading down is just proof positive you haven't a clue. And, even assuming you are right (lol) about trade downs, if as you claim the team trading down always loses, then why isn't every team trying to trade up constantly? What aren't the Bears trading up for each one of their picks? Hmmmmmmmmm.....

In conclusion, Sir, stick to sports, and leave the business talk to non-retired professionals.

 

[Omeletpants]

Why attempt a cruel reply? I told you it wasn't personal. And i think you must have some degree of confidence and belief that I don't earn $15/hour.

Your alleged billion dollars of deals doesn't impress me, I've made large investments and acquisitions for the past 25 years on a far larger scale than you have, and here's how and why i said you suck balls at negotiating: you speak in absolutes, and general/conventional logic. That's fine, but not in the world of deal-making where every (or at least the vast majority) of transactions contain so many variables that general rules rarely apply, or if they do apply in some fashion then they require massive tweaking.

The objective of any first-bid is to get the seller's attention, and hopefully lock them up. It't not about the crap you were rambling about - best bid, low bid, interim bid, whatever - just get the other party's attention, period.

And the mega-obvious "tell" where you disclosed to the world that you are in fact a 'tard in negotiating is your annual rants against trade-downs. Even an amateur knows that any trade - up, down, lateral - can be "won" or at least helpful. To avoid even considering such a transaction because you have a broken and faulty logic train for trading down is just proof positive you haven't a clue. And, even assuming you are right (lol) about trade downs, if as you claim the team trading down always loses, then why isn't every team trying to trade up constantly? What aren't the Bears trading up for each one of their picks? Hmmmmmmmmm.....

In conclusion, Sir, stick to sports, and leave the business talk to non-retired professionals.

Nonsense. You know nothing of high powered negotiations

 

[SilenceS]

I understand the excitement of Schwarber but how does one project a player to be worth a 4 war after just 278 major league PA ?
yes the 16 HRs are a lot but he hit .246 and that was after a hot start.

His best months were in
June 23 PA .364
July 51 PA .302

He struggled alot in final 2 months aside hitting homers

Aug. 111 PA .221
Sept 88 PA .208

Just trying to figure out where they come up with their projection off of what he did last year..

Are they basing it mostly on his power potential, figuring he could be a 30+ guy..
because in the minimal sample size we have shows he not going to be much of an Average hitter.

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He rolled out a 13.2 Walk rate. Even in his bad months, he rolled out at least a .324 OBP and a .764 OPS including a .950 plus OPS against righties. Factor in he is 23 with less than a year of professional ball and yea, he was pretty fucking great. He also is a huge student of the game. He watches film after film after film. You keep looking at his average which wont be that in the end. He is an all around hitter that has shown massive power and plate discipline. It also helps when you run out a 1.308 OPS in the playoffs at 22 when it matters most. He has some work to do, but his IQ and already his ability shows massive and I mean massive potential with a high floor.

 

[RacerX]

Nonsense. You know nothing of high powered negotiations

What I thought. You have nothing of substance to counter, I accept your tail tucked between your legs as you back off. I won't bring it up again unless you start pretending to know anything of business.

 

[brett05]

From Cubs Den (via Jeff Passan's piece)

Passan understands the Cubs reluctance to trade Schwarber for a reliever. Using the ZIPS module, Miller's upside is about 1.0 WAR for the remainder of this season and is signed for two more seasons. However, the same model projects Schwarber to be worth more than 4 wins in each of the next five seasons.

Passan also throws out the possibility of a Schwarber deal for both Miller and Aroldis Chapman, which would probably at least be cause for further discussion. But the Cubs Front Office isn't likely to be so short-sighted as Theo Epstein said this morning that it would be "foolish to be short-sighted and break that (core) up to incrementally increase our chances this year."

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2016/07/rumor-thread-cubs-like-chapman/#comment-284625

Bottom line is they aren't trading 20 WAR for 5 WAR. The thought is completely stupid.

We have no idea what Kyle will be nor where he will play nor if he is now basically a DH/1B player.

I also liked the business talk in the other thread that shows this deal to be a no brainer if the financials are correct.

I'm not saying do it, but to say it has no merit is foolish.

 

[brett05]

Really? I have negotiated over 1 billion dollars of contracts. You know anyone like that? Sorry that your $15/hour job defines you

All things aside, that's awesome. I'd kill to have that on my resume.

 

[anotheridiot]

If Miller is only going to be worth 1.0 WAR, I say we trade for that replacement guy, anyone know who that is? I dont think there is a lefty reliever even close to what Miller is doing.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

If Miller is only going to be worth 1.0 WAR, I say we trade for that replacement guy, anyone know who that is? I dont think there is a lefty reliever even close to what Miller is doing.

I don't think there's a knowledgeable Cubs fan anywhere who doesn't want Miller, the question is what do you want to give up for him?

 

[Diehardfan]

If Miller is only going to be worth 1.0 WAR, I say we trade for that replacement guy, anyone know who that is? I dont think there is a lefty reliever even close to what Miller is doing.

That's the thing. While a pitcher like Miller would be nice...it's not a necessity. They need a situational lefty to get left handed hitters out in later innings. There are others available that would work and are much more affordable.

 

[Omeletpants]

Dire perspective on Rondon
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/p...ned-tuesday-cubs-need-late-inning-relief-help

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

Really? I have negotiated over 1 billion dollars of contracts. You know anyone like that? Sorry that your $15/hour job defines you

All hail King Omelet! Now can you two quit internet fighting from your moms' basements?

 

[SilenceS]

Dire perspective on Rondon
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/p...ned-tuesday-cubs-need-late-inning-relief-help

I thought ESPN was full of joke analyst?

 

[Omeletpants]

Article on Maddon's philosophy of bringing new players in. Why do I post these? Cause I love to give


http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cub...yer-reveal-little-in-cubs-trade-deadline-talk

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Article on Maddon's philosophy of bringing new players in. Why do I post these? Cause I love to give


http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cub...yer-reveal-little-in-cubs-trade-deadline-talk

I read this piece earlier. There's nothing all that interesting here so what's your point?

 

[Omeletpants]

I read this piece earlier. There's nothing all that interesting here so what's your point?

Interested me, but you are so much more sophisticated so maybe Shakespeare could write you a personal article

 

[SilenceS]

Interested me, but you are so much more sophisticated so maybe Shakespeare could write you a personal article

Shakespeare knows baseball?

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Interested me, but you are so much more sophisticated so maybe Shakespeare could write you a personal article

I'll get Shakespeare on that right away, after all I do dig the Bard, but in the meantime what was your Maddon point because all I read in the piece were things he's said a dozen times before.