Yankees want Schwarber for Andrew Miller?

[chibears55]

Jon Heyman Verified account ‏@JonHeyman 3h3 hours ago

yanks have no deals yet ready to do. cubs have great farm but to date their offers for miller/chapman r said not among best

Think that just Epstein taking baby steps until yanks like something..
Why offer them top shelf up front, when maybe they might bite at less

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[Omeletpants]

Think that just Epstein taking baby steps until yanks like something..
Why offer them top shelf up front, when maybe they might bite at less

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Just read an article that said other teams have already offered more than what the Cubs are offering. So your "baby step" negotiation strategy isnt going to work

 

[chibears55]

Just read an article that said other teams have already offered more than what the Cubs are offering. So your "baby step" negotiation strategy isnt going to work

I highly doubt anyone knows exactly what teams are offering outside Cashman and the GM making offers...

Yes.. Teams are going to start out with low offers and go up from there as Yanks can say , no Indians are offering this can you do better.
Assuming there some kind of code between GMs that they don't lie about who and what being offered from other teams

Obviously that just my guess/thought on major trades being made with multiple teams interested in certain players

edit: just read the article, as I said no-one knows what been offered
And if it was a leak by the yanks to media to let Epstein know his offer was too low( as I said , they start out low)..
It their way of telling the cubs to Ante up

So my thought process still stands...[emoji16]



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[Omeletpants]

I highly doubt anyone knows exactly what teams are offering outside Cashman and the GM making offers...

Yes.. Teams are going to start out with low offers and go up from there as Yanks can say , no Indians are offering this can you do better.
Assuming there some kind of code between GMs that they don't lie about who and what being offered from other teams

Obviously that just my guess/thought on major trades being made with multiple teams interested in certain players

edit: just read the article, as I said no-one knows what been offered
And if it was a leak by the yanks to media to let Epstein know his offer was too low( as I said , they start out low)..
It their way of telling the cubs to Ante up

So my thought process still stands...[emoji16]



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If the Cubs offer was enough the trade would have been made already. So, your little low ball strategy hasnt worked

 

[SilenceS]

If the Cubs offer was enough the trade would have been made already. So, your little low ball strategy hasnt worked

Not true, Steinbrenner has not given the go ahead to trade anyone.


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[Omeletpants]

Not true, Steinbrenner has not given the go ahead to trade anyone.


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Reports I have read state there are numerous offers and the Cubs arent offering the best package. So his little low ball strategy wont work

 

[SilenceS]

If the Cubs offer was enough the trade would have been made already. So, your little low ball strategy hasnt worked

Reports I have read state there are numerous offers and the Cubs arent offering the best package. So his little low ball strategy wont work

Okkkk

 

[chibears55]

Reports I have read state there are numerous offers and the Cubs arent offering the best package. So his little low ball strategy wont work

A. If you wanna believe the"reports"

B. Not what I'm saying( low offer good snuff for trade)..and I didn't call It a low ball offer


I'm saying why would Epstein who has a truck full of talent make his top offer now, when he can play it out with low offers first til he gets the yanks to bite on one...

Plus if so called reports are true, then obviously the yanks aren't too excited over what was offered from other teams and looking for or hoping Epstein ups his offer, meaning he started out low probably.

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[Omeletpants]

A. If you wanna believe the"reports"

B. Not what I'm saying( low offer good snuff for trade)..and I didn't call It a low ball offer


I'm saying why would Epstein who has a truck full of talent make his top offer now, when he can play it out with low offers first til he gets the yanks to bite on one...

Plus if so called reports are true, then obviously the yanks aren't too excited over what was offered from other teams and looking for or hoping Epstein ups his offer, meaning he started out low probably.

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"baby step offer" = low ball offers. The tone of your previous post implied the Cubs are in control of the transaction and can set the tone of the negotiation but they aren't. As a professional negotiator for 30 years I can tell you that your customers (MLB Teams in this case) can quit negotiating with you at any time if they believe an interim offer is a final offer. Amateur attempts at incrementally moving the deal rarely work when there are multiple parties active in the negotiation. The most successful strategy usually revolves around a "best bid" (or close to it) strategy not a baby steps approach. Then the bidder attempts to close the deal and if unsuccessful walks away

 

[SilenceS]

"baby step offer" = low ball offers. The tone of your previous post implied the Cubs are in control of the transaction and can set the tone of the negotiation but they aren't. As a professional negotiator for 30 years I can tell you that your customers (MLB Teams in this case) can quit negotiating with you at any time if they believe an interim offer is a final offer. Amateur attempts at incrementally moving the deal rarely work when there are multiple parties active in the negotiation. The most successful strategy usually revolves around a "best bid" (or close to it) strategy not a baby steps approach. Then the bidder attempts to close the deal and if unsuccessful walks away

Is this like when you told me to leverage my car?

 

[Omeletpants]

Is this like when you told me to leverage my car?

WTF does that even mean? Drinking after a Cubs win?

 

[SilenceS]

WTF does that even mean? Drinking after a Cubs win?

Nope, just ommyism's over the years


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[BaBaBlacksheep]

"baby step offer" = low ball offers. The tone of your previous post implied the Cubs are in control of the transaction and can set the tone of the negotiation but they aren't. As a professional negotiator for 30 years I can tell you that your customers (MLB Teams in this case) can quit negotiating with you at any time if they believe an interim offer is a final offer. Amateur attempts at incrementally moving the deal rarely work when there are multiple parties active in the negotiation. The most successful strategy usually revolves around a "best bid" (or close to it) strategy not a baby steps approach. Then the bidder attempts to close the deal and if unsuccessful walks away

News flash... Your 30 years of "professional" negotiation skills mean absolutely dick in the sports world.

 

[chibears55]

"baby step offer" = low ball offers. The tone of your previous post implied the Cubs are in control of the transaction and can set the tone of the negotiation but they aren't. As a professional negotiator for 30 years I can tell you that your customers (MLB Teams in this case) can quit negotiating with you at any time if they believe an interim offer is a final offer. Amateur attempts at incrementally moving the deal rarely work when there are multiple parties active in the negotiation. The most successful strategy usually revolves around a "best bid" (or close to it) strategy not a baby steps approach. Then the bidder attempts to close the deal and if unsuccessful walks away

Cubs in control and setting tone?

Not sure how you got all of that from a simple statement of me thinking if report is true, that Epstein probably took baby steps approach/ made a low offer first..
Which would explain why..if reports are true, his offer might be the lowest or worse of the offers.

Not sure where you get final offer from either...

You say you're a negotiator, so you're telling us that when you start negotiating you begin with your best offer?
Don't seem like a smart way to negotiate

One would think making trade offers is almost like making contract offers to FA, a GM not going to make their top offer right away..
They start out reasonably low , get an idea what other teams offer, and work their way up to what they want to offer up as max



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[Omeletpants]

You say you're a negotiator, so you're telling us that when you start negotiating you begin with your best offer?
Don't seem like a smart way to negotiate

It doesn't make sense cause you don't do it for a living. I have been debating the pros and cons of negotiating strategies for 30 years. Had the same conversation with my son in law yesterday

 

[Omeletpants]

News flash... Your 30 years of "professional" negotiation skills mean absolutely dick in the sports world.

Totally not true because there are universal truths and best practices that apply to all businesses. Sports arent immune

 

[SilenceS]

It doesn't make sense cause you don't do it for a living. I have been debating the pros and cons of negotiating strategies for 30 years. Had the same conversation with my son in law yesterday

Did you tell him to leverage his car?


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[brett05]

more and more talk from sports sites (mlb/scoremobil/etc) that there are talks for Kyle for Miller. Stay tuned Cub Fans.

 

[SilenceS]

News flash... Your 30 years of "professional" negotiation skills mean absolutely dick in the sports world.

Where? Cause everyone with any knowledge is saying Kyle is off the table. Also, the Yankees are scouting Cleveland pitching. Articles saying the Yankees should go for schwarber isn't the same as there being fire


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[RacerX]

It doesn't make sense cause you don't do it for a living. I have been debating the pros and cons of negotiating strategies for 30 years. Had the same conversation with my son in law yesterday

Sorry, it is not my intention to get personal here, but i have the background and experience to offer the following observation, based on said experience and what you have posted:

you suck balls at negotiating and have no clue what you're talking about. Sorry, truth.