Yanks called about Matt Garza

[bleacherbum54]

Wow they're pulling out all the stops to ensure they suck. This will be the first time in my life I won't be excited for th
e season to start.

They are gonna suck regardless Garza wont make that big of a difference. But I doubt anyone bites on taking Fonso he is owed a lot it would be a smart move if they cold get rid of him and a few top spects.

 

[waldo7239117]

If the Cubs can trade Garza to NY for top 'spects, it won't be too bad of a season. they get Montero and one of their top pitching 'spects, plus mid level players who aren't bad.

Then the Cubs can trade Soto for a proven player...

That may be for the best; however, I don't see it happening because teams won't offer what the Cubs want.

 

[Mr. Cub]

I don't like the way our future is looking right now. It's gonna be rough. I just hope we win soon.

 

[bleacherbum54]

I don't like the way our future is looking right now. It's gonna be rough. I just hope we win soon.

wow that is really lacking patience Jim Henry thought the way you do a foundation needs to be built our team is really bare. It will be a rough 2-5 years imo but there is light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[Mr. Cub]

wow that is really lacking patience Jim Henry thought the way you do a foundation needs to be built our team is really bare. It will be a rough 2-5 years imo but there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Yeah, I don't sound very optimistic, but I am a Cubs fan after all. If we're gonna suck for a few years at least make it competitive and fun to watch at least. Right? We can't be getting blow out by everyone and have another 200 defensive errors.

 

[Shawon0Meter]

The saying goes "every teams wins 60, loses 60, it comes down to the other 42"

If that's the case, the Cubs are gonna win 60 for a while

 

[JosMin]

The Yankees would have to come with one hell of an offer to unload Garza. If they came to me and said, "We'll give you Brett Gardener and one of their upper tier pitching prospects, like Manny Banuelos," you'd have to strongly consider that.

 

[nickofypres]

Lowball Garza and make them take Soriano.

:shrug:

 

[Rice Cube]

Lowball Garza and make them take Soriano.

:shrug:

Wouldn't be worth it...you get as much as you can for Garza and you treat Soriano as a sunk cost. Basically what you get back for Soriano is gravy, but you need to maximize Garza's value coming back.

 

[JosMin]

Wouldn't be worth it...you get as much as you can for Garza and you treat Soriano as a sunk cost. Basically what you get back for Soriano is gravy, but you need to maximize Garza's value coming back.

I just don't think trading Garza makes any sense. He's their best pitcher and the only starter whose ERA was under 4.40! Plus, he lead the team in strikeouts, was second in innings pitched behind Dempster, and his second half was really strong.

He's got two years of arbitration left. Unless somebody is offering you an absolutely home run of a deal (the one I mentioned earlier with Gardner and Banuelos plus another prospect coming over from the Yankees comes to mind), then we need to sign Garza to a long-term deal, no questions asked. We gave up too much to get him for us to try and flip him a year later and recoup our loses.

 

[nickofypres]

I just don't think trading Garza makes any sense. He's their best pitcher and the only starter whose ERA was under 4.40! Plus, he lead the team in strikeouts, was second in innings pitched behind Dempster, and his second half was really strong.

He's got two years of arbitration left. Unless somebody is offering you an absolutely home run of a deal (the one I mentioned earlier with Gardner and Banuelos plus another prospect coming over from the Yankees comes to mind), then we need to sign Garza to a long-term deal, no questions asked. We gave up too much to get him for us to try and flip him a year later and recoup our loses.

Cubs aren't contending for a few years. So might as well get something for him when his value is higher since he is under control for a bit, rather than have him pitch well in garbage time and not really making or breaking the Cubs.

 

[Rice Cube]

Cubs aren't contending for a few years. So might as well get something for him when his value is higher since he is under control for a bit, rather than have him pitch well in garbage time and not really making or breaking the Cubs.

Right, but it still has to be a pretty good deal. It will be interesting to see whether the Cubs want a MLB ready guy or just to restock the farm though. I'd almost lean towards the latter since I doubt they seriously contend until 2013 or 2014 anyway.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Even if we were contending soon, I still like the thought of selling high on Garza. Theoball is in affect.

 

[Lex L.]

For everyone who is comlaining about Zambrano, this might represent the best way unload him. If the Yankees want Garza, the Cubs could/should say, "OK fine, but you need to also take Zambrano's contract off our hands."

So lets say the Yankees are willing to take Zambrano with Garza, we should then ask for a couple of players that can help the big league club in addition to some prospects. But Brett Gardiner should be integral in making this happen.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

For everyone who is comlaining about Zambrano, this might represent the best way unload him. If the Yankees want Garza, the Cubs could/should say, "OK fine, but you need to also take Zambrano's contract off our hands."

So lets say the Yankees are willing to take Zambrano with Garza, we should then ask for a couple of players that can help the big league club in addition to some prospects. But Brett Gardiner should be integral in making this happen.

I like this

 

[daddies3angels]

For everyone who is comlaining about Zambrano, this might represent the best way unload him. If the Yankees want Garza, the Cubs could/should say, "OK fine, but you need to also take Zambrano's contract off our hands."

So lets say the Yankees are willing to take Zambrano with Garza, we should then ask for a couple of players that can help the big league club in addition to some prospects. But Brett Gardiner should be integral in making this happen.

I think Garza Value goes down big time though if Cubs make NYY take on Z. Going to get less in return

 

[Lex L.]

I think Garza Value goes down big time though if Cubs make NYY take on Z. Going to get less in return

Not the Yankees. Other teams, you're probably right. Pitching has been a huge need for them. This deal gives them 2 viable arms in their rotation, which gives them a better shot in the post season.

In this scenario, we could possibly take a big contract but we shouldnt be taking a bad contract (eg AJ Burnett).

BTW, I've seen other "news" items about the Yankees having interest in Zambrano in the past.

 

[Rice Cube]

For everyone who is comlaining about Zambrano, this might represent the best way unload him. If the Yankees want Garza, the Cubs could/should say, "OK fine, but you need to also take Zambrano's contract off our hands."

So lets say the Yankees are willing to take Zambrano with Garza, we should then ask for a couple of players that can help the big league club in addition to some prospects. But Brett Gardiner should be integral in making this happen.

I think Garza should be treated as a separate entity from Zambrano. Get the most back for Garza since he's a hot trade item. Get whatever you can for Zambrano if you really want to dump him.

 

[Lex L.]

I think Garza should be treated as a separate entity from Zambrano. Get the most back for Garza since he's a hot trade item. Get whatever you can for Zambrano if you really want to dump him.

That would make more sense if the Cubs were shopping Garza but this came about because the Yankees were sniffing around about Garza.

Also, don't underestimate the value of financial flexibility that comes with unloading Zambrano's deal.

 

[Rice Cube]

That would make more sense if the Cubs were shopping Garza but this came about because the Yankees were sniffing around about Garza.

Also, don't underestimate the value of financial flexibility that comes with unloading Zambrano's deal.

The financial flexibility is nice but now you're out an ace/almost-ace level pitcher, another solid pitcher who can anchor the rotation, and you'd have to use the savings to replace them anyway. I think you have to treat this separately, this isn't like the Royals throwing Yuni Betancourt in with Zack Greinke.