Yoenis Cespedes Granted Free Agency

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Captain Obvious said:
Why does he need to be in the minors till he's ready? It's not like we're going anywhere this year. I never said with any certainty that he'd be in the majors after a month. You're right we don't know, but we can let him figure shit out in the majors since we aren't in a position to compete this year. If we're paying him regardless we might as well let him play against the top talent.



Right. Because it's going to hurt out MLB team so much. We might go from 4th place to 5th place in the division. End of the world.




Considering that Theo said in there that RBI's aren't relevant, I kinda doubt they use RBIs. You're right, I don't know to what extent. But given that he said that it's the best way, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that it's going to be used the most.




Never said that. Nor did the video. Did you watch it? I don't think you did. He uses something that is in the same family. His words, not mine.
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They Never Played in the Minors

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Not 100% accurate but close enough that it shows how rare it is to leap frog the minors, especially when a player is not playing a typical professional league like japan etc.

seems like the scouts and professionals in the baseball world know a little more than you do.
 

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FirstTimer said:
BTW CO...

From ESPN:



Hold.

mah.

Dick.

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Up to three months... I said a month or so. Really not that far off. Not a big deal.

DewsSox79 said:
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They Never Played in the Minors

What major league baseball players never played in the minor leagues

Straight to the Majors — Infoplease.com

List of baseball players who went directly to the major leagues - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not 100% accurate but close enough that it shows how rare it is to leap frog the minors, especially when a player is not playing a typical professional league like japan etc.

seems like the scouts and professionals in the baseball world know a little more than you do.
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When did I ever say he would go directly to the Majors? Oh yeah, I didn't. Nice try, though.
 

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When even Brian Sabean thinks that Cespedes is being overvalued... :lol:
 

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Dewey, I merged this thread with the regular Cespedes thread as this is still technically a rumor. NO ONE PANIC!!!
 

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As for Brian Sabean...he's had some nice drafts and some really damned good luck despite himself. Think about it...he got Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent in free agency, then this past WS when they finally won, he had drafted Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner and Buster Posey and got way-over-their-heads production from guys like Cody Ross and Pat Burrell. Like all GM's he's had his fair share of stupidity, like giving way too much money to Barry Zito (even if you're a SABR guy you'd be able to look at his peripherals and realize that maybe that contract just wasn't a good idea) and Aaron Rowand. Sabean was basically a poor man's Jim Hendry but with tons more luck.

And when a guy of that low caliber says Cespedes isn't worth it, you have a couple options...you can either disagree with him because you think everything he says is stupid by default, or you can take the available information (some of which is presented in this thread) and think, hmmm, maybe he has something there...
 

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The Cubs' interest in Cespedes may be nothing more than we are just loopholing the collective bargaining agreement by putting a lot of our resources into Latin America and taking a risk on Cespedes. But don't get too hyped about the guy. He's got the look of a real ballplayer...but so have many others before him...He's a big fish in a small pond. But he hasn't tested the waters of an ocean yet. Cuban ball is Cuban ball.
 
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Rice Cube said:
As for Brian Sabean...he's had some nice drafts and some really damned good luck despite himself. Think about it...he got Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent in free agency, then this past WS when they finally won, he had drafted Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner and Buster Posey and got way-over-their-heads production from guys like Cody Ross and Pat Burrell. Like all GM's he's had his fair share of stupidity, like giving way too much money to Barry Zito (even if you're a SABR guy you'd be able to look at his peripherals *and realize that maybe that contract just wasn't a good idea) and Aaron Rowand. Sabean was basically a poor man's Jim Hendry but with tons more luck.

And when a guy of that low caliber says Cespedes isn't worth it, you have a couple options...you can either disagree with him because you think everything he says is stupid by default, or you can take the available information (some of which is presented in this thread) and think, hmmm, maybe he has something there...
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I am as hard on Sabean as the next guy, but that is a bit of stretch to call him a poor man's Jim Hendry. They are definitely cut from the same cloth though.

I disagree with your assessment though that there are only two options here. I think a third option is that Sabean, who doesn't have a bad eye for talent as a scout like Jim Hendry, thinks that Cespedes isn't worth the money in the context of the Giants situation. While he issues it in terms of a blanket statement, I find it hard to believe he isn't viewing the situation through the prism of what he is facing in San Franciso. And while it might make a lot of sense for the Giants to not spend what Cespedes is being offered, that doesn't necessarilary mean that it is stupid for another team to do so.

Or it could be that the Marlins are truly living up to what they've said publicly in that they will pay stupid amounts of money to bring Cespedes to Miami. Either way I feel good with how the Cubs have handled the situation being heavily involved and ready to make what they feel is the right move on him. I am hopeful that it involves bring him to Chicago because of his unique athletic abilities, but I am fine if they pass on him because they agree with Sabean's position that he is being offered more than he is worth.

*Is that sentence suppose to read even if you're not a SABR guy?
 

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I agree with your third option. Sabean would rather spend the money to extend the elite pitchers in-house and would probably just try to live with whatever outfielders he has left in-house. But if you disregard the Giants' unique situation, the statement still applies. ZAN is also correct in that one of the factors driving up Cespedes' price is the CBA limits, although I don't know that it applies to Cespedes anyway...some sources I read say the CBA only applies to under-23, while others say it applies to every foreign free agent.

As I've said before, if he wants stupid money, Cespedes can become a Marlin. But if the Cubs want to spend on him, we don't have much of a choice but to trust their judgment.
 

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Levine's chat:

Bruce Levine (1:17 PM)

As far as Cespedes, the Marlins will be the Cubs' No. 1 competitor. Although don't count out the White Sox laying in the weeds. They've had great success with Cuban players. Right now what's more confusing is when he'll be able to get a working visa to play in the U.S.
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