You are GarPax. What would you do?

[Alpha Male]

If you guys need someone to blame I would say Derrick Rose. The fact that he is playing so bad is the reason they are losing. It sucks that bulls finally have an MVP type player and he is no longer an MVP because a lack of effort.

 

[The Hawk]

Not really. I've been saying he needed to be traded since the off-season and I'm not the only one who shared that opinion.

I said it also. It made no sense whatsoever to have so many bigs and very few skill guys. People jumped all over me about he being an all-star and all. Guess what Thibs made him into an all-star and now he has reverted once again to be an aging soft Euro player.

 

[clonetrooper264]

For those ragging on Rose's effort, I will at least say that the past several games his effort has looked fine on both sides of the ball. Hopefully it's a trend that continues.

 

[Enasic]

I said it also. It made no sense whatsoever to have so many bigs and very few skill guys. People jumped all over me about he being an all-star and all. Guess what Thibs made him into an all-star and now he has reverted once again to be an aging soft Euro player.

So we agreed on something? ****, I need to rethink my stance on this : )

In all seriousness though, Gasol was just never the missing piece. Even under Thibs. He put up great numbers in the regular season, and that was largely due to him feasting against smaller inferior players and struggling against taller and more physical players. In the playoffs, he just didn't get it done and wasn't the factor we needed him to be. He was soft last year and he's still soft this year. It's who hes always been. A highly skilled, finesse big man who is a defensive liability. He needs to be traded already.

 

[Alpha Male]

For those ragging on Rose's effort, I will at least say that the past several games his effort has looked fine on both sides of the ball. Hopefully it's a trend that continues.

If he is putting a 100% effort, he just sucks now and it was a great fall for the 2011 MVP.

 

[clonetrooper264]

If he is putting a 100% effort, he just sucks now and it was a great fall for the 2011 MVP.

Deron Williams also fell off a cliff battling injuries. It happens all the time.

 

[Enasic]

No one is debating that guys don't fall off after injuries. Of course players do.

 

[Alpha Male]

Deron Williams also fell off a cliff battling injuries. It happens all the time.

I don't know about williams but rose is fully recovered from his knee injuries. He has no more excuses. We have seen signs of flashes so it has to do with lack of effort.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I don't know about williams but rose is fully recovered from his knee injuries. He has no more excuses. We have seen signs of flashes so it has to do with lack of effort.

Yeah but who knows how long it would take him to heal from a broken face? It's already established that he doesn't deal with pain well and takes forever to heal. Based on what I read over preseason he should just be starting to get over double vision now. Imo his effort and aggression has been better the past 4-5 games so perhaps those are correlated. I don't know.

 

[Scoot26]

Deron Williams also fell off a cliff battling injuries. It happens all the time.

Williams also had the wrong attitude. Paul Pierce said it himself.

The player that puzzled him the most, said Pierce, was point guard Deron Williams.

"Before I got there, I looked at Deron as an MVP candidate,'' Pierce said. "But I felt once we got there, that's not what he wanted to be. He just didn't want that.


"I think a lot of the pressure got to him sometimes. This was his first time in the national spotlight. The media in Utah is not the same as the media in New York, so that can wear on some people. I think it really affected him.''

 

[Crystallas]

Deron Williams also fell off a cliff battling injuries. It happens all the time.

Don't bring logic to the conversation. Some people just don't know how to go a day+ without bashing Rose, as if it's something nobody has ever heard and being a topic that never gets old.

 

[GalePayton]

I would trade Pau Gasol as soon as possible.

Everything seems to have gone downhill since he came here.

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

They should look into trading both Pau Gasol and Derrick Rose. I like what Gasol has done with the Bulls but it looks like he is going to walk this summer. Gasol should be easy to trade by the deadline but Rose would be much tougher if not impossible. I don't think there will be any GM's who want to absorb his contract for how bad he has looked. Unfortunately I think we will be stuck with him. In a Gasol trade I'd like to see them go after a good young point guard but that is going to be hard to find on contending team that Gasol would go to. More than likely they would get a first round draft pick and a expiring contract. Maybe you could then package some of your pics to move up in the draft and get a good quality point guard that would fit in Hoibergs offense. I would love to see a player like Isiah Thomas on the bulls but I don't see that one ever happening.

Right now I think that Rose needs to go to the bench. He is playing like a below average point guard and killing the starting lineup. I would put Brooks in his place. He pushes the ball more and can shoot the 3. I would also insert Noah and Mirotic in the starting lineup over Gasol and Gibson. Noah is terrific passer and can push the ball up the court. I think the starting lineup of Brooks, Butler, McD, Mirotc, Noah would be the best lineup you could put out there with the style Holberg wants to play. You still have Noah and Butler to anchor the defense and plenty of shooters space the floor. Let Gasol, Gibson, and Rose come off the bench play the old Thibs way and hopefully beat up on back ups.

Agreed. If they do acquire a 1st rounder from the Gasol trade, I think they should just keep them and stay where they are, not trade them. With those, I'd take Wade Baldwin IV, point guard out of Vanderbilt, and Diamond Stone, center out of Maryland. Baldwin is a terrific shooter with good size for his position and can play both backcourt spots. He could work his way into being a terrific option behind Rose. While Stone is not a great athlete, he is an an old-school big man who knows how to carve out space and score in the post. He's in the mold of a young Al Jefferson.

 

[Enasic]

Gasol isn't the reason things started to go south. We won 45 and 48 games the years before he got here. Yes, that was without rose but since rose has been back, he isn't the player we once knew. Especially this season. Having said that, gasol is not the solution and needs to be traded to clear minutes for our bigs and to add a wing player which we lack. Not to mention, losing him in free agency for nothing would be an epic fail. He's not the type of player at age 35, that you re-sign to a high dollar contract. We need to get younger, more athletic, and need a 7 footer who can actually move his feet on defense.

 

[Crystallas]

I would hire an elite shooting coach. That's what I would do. Been saying it for years, this would increase the offense's rank by 5+ spots in the league, and that would translate to wins. Better shot selections and the rest of any offensive system will fall into place. When you build a front office around scouting, you need the development tools in place. Not just rely on picks to pan out. In fact, I would say guys like Snell would benefit the most.

 

[Enasic]

I would hire an elite shooting coach. That's what I would do. Been saying it for years, this would increase the offense's rank by 5+ spots in the league, and that would translate to wins. Better shot selections and the rest of any offensive system will fall into place. When you build a front office around scouting, you need the development tools in place. Not just rely on picks to pan out. In fact, I would say guys like Snell would benefit the most.

Losing Ron Adams really hurt in that regard. Countless players attributed their shooting to Ronnie and it's not a coincidence that Derrick actually had good form and release when Adams was here.

 

[Axl Rose]

i didn't like our interest in Pau at first

im like are we really gonna waste our money on another old big man again? but once i seen his deal i kinda warmed up to it. i wont put it all on him even though the team picked up his personality...i think its a coincidence

but i certainty don't care if hes traded or not

 

[Crystallas]

Losing Ron Adams really hurt in that regard. Countless players attributed their shooting to Ronnie and it's not a coincidence that Derrick actually had good form and release when Adams was here.

Chalk that up as another Pax ego making the team worse.

 

[Axl Rose]

Chalk that up as another Pax ego making the team worse.

its word that Ron Adams was making disparaging remarks about management. not sure if thats true or the excuse they made to justify it....but if it was true then he kinda made his own bed

go tell your boss hes doing his job wrong and you'll be in the unemployment line even if you're saying the true..it hurts extra bad when they know you're right

 

[Enasic]

its word that Ron Adams was making disparaging remarks about management. not sure if thats true or the excuse they made to justify it....but if it was true then he kinda made his own bed

go tell your boss hes doing his job wrong and you'll be in the unemployment line even if you're saying the true..it hurts extra bad when they know you're right

Who knows what happened. I know Pax is a hothead and probably a stubborn douchebag who tries to bully people. Not sure what happened there, but either way, when you fire Ron Adams, you get worse as a coaching staff. That's really the one move that irked me out of the garpax era. It hardly ever gets talked about either. It's always the job of the HC to hire and fire his assistants and from what I heard, the FO was still upset that Thibs didn't retain the great Pete Myers.

Chalk that up as another Pax ego making the team worse.

Yeah it was a terrible move. Like I said, one of, if not my most disliked Garpax decisions.