You are GarPax. What would you do?

[Axl Rose]

yeah i didn't like it either and its really what started fraying the relationship with thibs. remember they gave thibs an extension and he delayed signing it for whatever reason then Adams was fired possibly as a get back

guess what came shortly after? the first mention of Hoiberg

yep it was 2013 i believe and there was a article about a budding feud between management and Thibs and the article mentioned Fred Hoiberg as possible replacement. i can not find that article for the life of me but i do remember it.

 

[Diddy1122]

yeah i didn't like it either and its really what started fraying the relationship with thibs. remember they gave thibs an extension and he delayed signing it for whatever reason then Adams was fired possibly as a get back

guess what came shortly after? the first mention of Hoiberg

yep it was 2013 i believe and there was a article about a budding feud between management and Thibs and the article mentioned Fred Hoiberg as possible replacement. i can not find that article for the life of me but i do remember it.

You've got that backwards. Thibs signed the extension before Adams last season with the Bulls. Adams was let go for the simple fact of not agreeing with how the FO handle the Omer Asik situation, Adams pet project since Omer came into the league. And he didn't even make those thoughts public at the time. It was utterly baffling why someone would fire one of, if not, the best assistant in the league.

It is the simple "my way or the highway" adage that GarPax has operated under since the beginning of their tenure. It's a big reason why they hired a "Yes man" in Hoiberg. Now that's not an indictment of Hoiberg as a coach. I do think he's a good coach who inherited a horribly mismatched roster for his system. But he is also a laid back, non-confrontational guy, who will willingly go with the flow when it comes to his management's decisions. Thibs was stubborn and hard headed, just like Paxson, so it was destined to never be a long marriage.

Basically guys, this team is stuck the way it is as long as Reinsdorf still employs them. They aren't a bad management team by any means, but they are just as rigid, stubborn, and uncommunicative as the head coach they ran out of town and blamed for everything that ever went wrong with the team. There's a complete lack of self recognized culpability when it comes to the FO that has irked me for over a decade now.

 

[FireFox]

I say we just blow up this team.

 

[Benchmob757]

If I was GarPax I would have done a lot of things differently the past few years. Boozer wouldn't have ever been on my team, Teague wouldn't have been drafted that season, Deng would have been traded at least a year or two before he left us, among other things. At this point though, it's hard for me to decide. I was all for blowing the team up after game 6 last year, I still feel like I'm leaning towards that. I just don't see the current team being able to make any sort of move to put us in championship contention. We run the risk of becoming a middling team stuck in that position with no plan and no way out.


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[knoxville7]

Pretty sure you knocked me and basically called me an idiot for suggesting we traded Gasol in the off-season. Almost positive, actually. I continued to bring up how he probably had the most value out of all our bigs, we were crowded up front and needed minutes for Bobby, and that he would most likely opt out and would be lost in free agency. I also brought up him being a liability on defense and needing more depth on the wing. It was always just common sense to me that Gasol needed to go. After we drafted Portis it was as obvious as ever.

pretty sure I wasn't the one since like I said before, I was in Alaska during that time period and not on here at all

 

[Enasic]

pretty sure I wasn't the one since like I said before, I was in Alaska during that time period and not on here at all

I honestly don't know. That's basically when I first started posting here regularly. Could have been clone....

 

[clonetrooper264]

I honestly don't know. That's basically when I first started posting here regularly. Could have been clone....

I very rarely call people stupid, but who knows what silly things I said over the summer...

 

[knoxville7]

the thing about gasol is, it made sense to have him when thibs was the coach because thibs used pau the proper way. he took advantage of pau's post ability on offense and ran things through him. under hoiberg, it makes no sense to have gasol because hoiberg has no intentions of using him that way. if you aren't going to take advantage of the skills he possesses offensively, then theres no point in having him on the roster since he is a defensive liability

 

[Enasic]

the thing about gasol is, it made sense to have him when thibs was the coach because thibs used pau the proper way. he took advantage of pau's post ability on offense and ran things through him. under hoiberg, it makes no sense to have gasol because hoiberg has no intentions of using him that way. if you aren't going to take advantage of the skills he possesses offensively, then theres no point in having him on the roster since he is a defensive liability

Perhaps. If Rose was Rose last season, the Gasol signing might have had a bigger impact but Gasol can't be the 2nd best player on a championship team anymore. At least not when the 1st best player is Jimmy Butler. Really, he needs to be the 3rd or even 4th best player at this point. He's too big of a liability on defense and when matched up against a strong, physical player with length, he struggles to generate anything in the post, resulting in him being a spot up mid-range shooter. It wasn't a bad signing by any means, especially when you take the contract he signed into consideration, but it wasn't a move that was ever going to put us over the top if Rose couldn't play at an elite level. So far, that hasn't happened and when you consider Pau's defensive issues and almost assuredly opting out in the off-season, it would be wise to trade him now. Even if Thibs were still coach.

 

[knoxville7]

Perhaps. If Rose was Rose last season, the Gasol signing might have had a bigger impact but Gasol can't be the 2nd best player on a championship team anymore. At least not when the 1st best player is Jimmy Butler. Really, he needs to be the 3rd or even 4th best player at this point. He's too big of a liability on defense and when matched up against a strong, physical player with length, he struggles to generate anything in the post, resulting in him being a spot up mid-range shooter. It wasn't a bad signing by any means, especially when you take the contract he signed into consideration, but it wasn't a move that was ever going to put us over the top if Rose couldn't play at an elite level. So far, that hasn't happened and when you consider Pau's defensive issues and almost assuredly opting out in the off-season, it would be wise to trade him now. Even if Thibs were still coach.

all I said was his usage and production was better under thibs...that's a fact. like I already said, trading him now makes a lot of sense

 

[Enasic]

all I said was his usage and production was better under thibs...that's a fact. like I already said, trading him now makes a lot of sense

I agree. Thibs got the most out of him.

 

[Naptastic]

Perhaps. If Rose was Rose last season, the Gasol signing might have had a bigger impact but Gasol can't be the 2nd best player on a championship team anymore. At least not when the 1st best player is Jimmy Butler. Really, he needs to be the 3rd or even 4th best player at this point. He's too big of a liability on defense and when matched up against a strong, physical player with length, he struggles to generate anything in the post, resulting in him being a spot up mid-range shooter. It wasn't a bad signing by any means, especially when you take the contract he signed into consideration, but it wasn't a move that was ever going to put us over the top if Rose couldn't play at an elite level. So far, that hasn't happened and when you consider Pau's defensive issues and almost assuredly opting out in the off-season, it would be wise to trade him now. Even if Thibs were still coach.

Pau was killing me on Monday. Lopez just did whatever he wanted, while Pau played no defense. I think he started the game with a block and then decided that he filled his quota of defense for the night.

If Pau was an offensive monster then it might be worth it, but its not when hes 17/6. It just makes him a worse boozer. At least boozer attempted to play defense.

 

[clonetrooper264]

You know it's bad when we see things like "at least Boozer..."

 

[Crystallas]

You know it's bad when we see things like "at least Boozer..."

At least Boozer would tell Niko when to grab dat.


yo

 

[clonetrooper264]

At least Boozer would tell Niko when to grab dat.


yo

#holdat

 

[Enasic]

Boozer was a great teammate.

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

While I like McDermott and I think he'll improve, I didn't like us giving up those two first rounders for him. We basically traded Jusuf Nurkic and Gary Harris for him. Both could have been starters for us down the road.

 

[knoxville7]

While I like McDermott and I think he'll improve, I didn't like us giving up those two first rounders for him. We basically traded Jusuf Nurkic and Gary Harris for him. Both could have been starters for us down the road.

bulls weren't going to take two first rounders onto their roster at that point in time anyways...they really really liked the player(doug) and pulled the trigger on a move. everyone seems to bash garpax for holding pat and not making moves, only to criticize them for the rare occasion they do make a move. bulls fans make up your minds! lol

 

[czman]

If Pau was an offensive monster then it might be worth it, but its not when hes 17/6. It just makes him a worse boozer. At least boozer attempted to play defense.

Not trying to nitpick but how is 16/11 in ~30 minutes 17/6. Pau is not the main failure with the Bulls. The Bulls are still a very good defensive team so his defense is not killing the Bulls. The Bulls offense is the problem. Changing out the coach to a more offensive coach did not fix the offense. I wonder if it might be the actual players.

 

[The Hawk]

Quote Originally Posted by Naptastic View Post


If Pau was an offensive monster then it might be worth it, but its not when hes 17/6. It just makes him a worse boozer. At least boozer attempted to play defense.

Not trying to nitpick but how is 16/11 in ~30 minutes 17/6. Pau is not the main failure with the Bulls. The Bulls are still a very good defensive team so his defense is not killing the Bulls. The Bulls offense is the problem. Changing out the coach to a more offensive coach did not fix the offense. I wonder if it might be the actual players.

I do think that they have the wrong players for the offense that Hoiberg wants to use.