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I still think Pippen is the best perimeter defender ever. Guys like Gary Payton and John Stockton were also fantastic defenders, which doesn't even need to be said. I mean, Stockton is the all time leader in steals I believe, and Payton was called the glove for a reason. The thing that Pippen had they the others didn't was the length. He might not have been as quick (though he was still pretty fast) but he had the quickness and length and strength to guard 4 positions with good success to say the least. Offensively though, Pippen wasn't as good as them and that's why I'd say they were probably better overall players (though Payton to me might be debatable).
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i get you're trying to be funny..but what have you ACTUALLY contributed to this discussion besides random ranting?
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That's true. But remember, he did avg 7 assists in that offense with jordan dominating the ball. Let's say he has kendall gill, who's a solid 17 to 20 ppg scorer. He'd still have the ball more but he'd be passing to a guy that can score more. I can't tell you how many wide open 13-14 foot jumpers myers and english missed.
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You pretty much summed it all up nicely. I say Payton is better than Pippen because he was a much better scorer, passer, and a great defender in his own right.
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In the triangle offense, Jordan never really did dominate the ball unless he got angry and decided to light up whoever was guarding him for 40 or 50 on a certain night.
After Doug Collins left, it was pretty much no more one man team. It was a team style of offense... sink or swim. Especially during the regular seasons.
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To say it was a lot wouldn't even do it justice.
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Blah blah blah, pippen wasn't good at this,,and pippen wasn't good at that blah blah blah, yessir your right huehefner blah blah blah, everyone else is wrong, blah blah blah.......How did you like my ramithebullsfan impersonation??
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Now I knew ScottiePippen1994 was delusional, but c'mon, Houheffna and Rami, rarely, if ever agree on anything.
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Well Pippen wasn't really that great in the clutch...true statement.
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He had a couple of bad moments, sure, but he came through and hit big shots also.
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I'm not denying that, I'm just saying that he wasn't some kind of reliable consistent clutch scorer.
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clutch is another one of those varied and subjective terms imo...it depends what you mean definitively as clutch
btw this is interesting(although it is from bleacher report)
The Truths and Myths to Scottie Pippen | Bleacher Report
btw this is interesting(although it is from bleacher report)
The Truths and Myths to Scottie Pippen | Bleacher Report
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Lol did you not read the games I posted? I buried that pippen wasn't clutch statement. And you guys notice rami and heffener and code didn't respomd to it. I wonder why? Hmm.... pippen was just as clutch as most great players. He shoewd up big when it counted.
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I read that nonsense. I've refited everything that clown said as well as the ignorant shit that's been said in this thread. The only way id agree with you guys notion that pippen wasn't clutch, couldn't lead a teaam to a championship, and was made by jordan is if we agree that his bar must be higher than every other basketball player. Words don't begin to describe the idiotic dogma that been spewed. Quite honestly, all you pippen haters are beneath me when it come to debating.
I love the way none of you guys respond to facts. Come on. We can be here all day saying pippen is this and the other side says no he that. Post actual reasons not just feelings.
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Did you not read my other post? I acknowledged that Pippen had his share of clutch baskets, but he wasn't the kind of guy you would always go to for a clutch shot. And don't give me playing behind MJ stuff because the fact that Jackson drew up a play for Kukoc instead of Pippen means more than Pippen being buttsore.
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" 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points"
that is the definition of clutch according to 82games.com. Now to take whole games and think you can put Pippen with other great players is absolute craziness.
By the way, Pippen scoring 32 points in game 5 against LA when the Bulls were up 3-1 in the series is NOT clutch.
Karl Malone scored 23pts and 15 rebounds in game 1 of the NBA Finals in 1997, but he missed 2 big freethrows that would have put them ahead by 2. Jordan comes back and hits the game winning shot. Did Karl have a good or bad clutch performance in that game? From your estimations, he had a good clutch performance in a clutch game that Utah needed to win right? Wrong...
Most thought he choked in the clutch...including Scottie Pippen.
In game 6 against Phoenix...Scottie had 23 pts and 12 rebounds, as you pointed out...great clutch game in a deciding game right? Well, in the fourth quarter, the Bulls gave up a big lead and none of the Bulls scored except Jordan and Paxson...so did Scottie have a good clutch game or not?
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You posted dumb shit and because the world's biggest fanboy says something like "ownage"...you took that seriously? When the going got tough and the games were must win, they were not always the deciding games.
Believe me...nobody is beneath you...and I don't see a lot of Pippen hate, people just aren't groupies like you are...
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Noone has been able to come thru in every situation heff. Not even jordan. This is where your missing the point. Like I said earlier. The standard you set for pippen is beyond reachable. Take away pippen 23 pts and the bulls loose. End of discussion. Hell in 95, when the bulls were elimianted by the magic, pippen played great, it was jordan that messed up. Does that mean he's not clutch cuz of a bad game? Magic cost the lakers aa championship in 84, bird played like shit in 85 or 83 I believe. Noone is above mistakes. Why are pippens magnified more than others? Cuz he didn't lead a team to a championship that in all honeslty overachieved and reached a level that in all honestly had no business being at to begin with?
I mean, if your really gonna hold 94 against pippen that much then what your saying is that the bulls could and should've won without jordan. And in essence jordan wasn't really needed according to you, which obviously couldn't be further from the truth.
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Again, here comes that standard again. The games I listed were important cuz the opposing team had their back against the wall. I know you heard the term, its not a series until one of the teams face elimination. Cuz now you got a team that's desperate. I think its a good indication of how pippen played in big games.
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