1994 Bulls vs 2011 Bulls in 7 game series

[Glide2keva]

most 6'8 guys cant stay in front of rose who's the fastest player in the nba..



ya..thats cool..but lebron is a better passer than scottie...sorry


physical gifts are an aspect of talent...im not quite sure what your evidence is for pippen being more talented...just because someone calls lebron lebrick doesnt mean he's a bad shooter..its called trash talking





ya it was..and looking at the overall body of work those two seasons and lebron was better


oh..whatever then lol


charles barkley,patrick ewing,karl malone,and a few others disagree...but im not saying a ring isnt important





kobe did average over 30 PPG in one finals..and has performed relatively well in the finals..he's not jordan..but he's been a leader and clutch..you really cant knock on kobe because of his finals performances





i agree..i think he CAN develop into that guy..the question is does he have the effort to

it's definitely a significant issue..but that doesnt define who lebron is



many would disagree..



i wouldnt say lebron didnt show up for the finals(although "showing up" is completely subjective and has a lot of different contexts) but yes he underperformed and wade and bosh didnt..but again you cant look at the finals and immediately come up with conclusions about a player(btw lebron did have a triple double in the finals and of course no one says anything about that)


he had an excuse when he was with cleveland(although getting to the finals and even ECF with those shit cavs teams is not a failure imo..btw did you watch when lebron put 48 and a triple double on detroit...lebron hasnt been all a complete wash in the playoffs...lebron's story still has chapters to be told, i will say that much


then who is? dwight howard? kevin durant? wade?

Not performing well in the Finals should have bearing on how a player is judged. That's where legends are made.

lebron is a great regular season performer, and sometimes in the playoffs he plays great for stretches and maybe even a series. But when the Finals hit? He wilts (no pun intended)

That doesn't sound like the best in the world. The best players perform when the pressure is the greatest. He doesn't and is still called the best.

And he has no excuses left. 8 years of hype with no titles to show for it.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Somebody tell dude to google "point forward" so he can learn something for a damn change...Pippen's game POPULARIZED the term point forward, it wasn't invented for him...

Point forward - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LOL, and whose picture do they use in that article?

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I base my opinions on what I saw. Stats don't tell the whole story.

of course they dont...but it helps to base your opinions with some concrete evidence

If I'm giving my opinion, it's my opinion. I don't need stats as a crutch.

but again..it helps to have support in your opinion...whether its some kind of video,stats, or whatever

obviously not all opinions HAVE to be supported directly..but it really helps

and no i dont base all my opinions on cold hard facts...but i do quite a bit

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Karl Malone never won a ring and I still think he's at least as good as a player as Tim Duncan.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Karl Malone never won a ring and I still think he's at least as good as a player as Tim Duncan.

ehhh no...you can argue malone's longevity and scoring and rebounding but you cant argue duncan's leadership and rings...plus duncan has two MVPs(does malone have two?..im really not sure...need to look it up) plus duncan is arguably a better defender

but i see the point you're trying to make

 

[Glide2keva]

Ok, but I'm proving my points with the stats. You're not doing anything to prove your opinion is right. That's the point. The stats aren't a crutch, they are there to show facts.

Because I don't have to prove my opinion is right. I don't care if it's right or wrong, I just gave it. You don't have to agree.

My opinion is that Lebron is better than Scottie. I do research by looking at statistics and watching games. I can use both of those to conclude that Lebron is better than Scottie.

Why do that? ESPN just makes up stats to prove someone is better. You know like the "he is the ONLY player to score 25 points, have 9 rebounds, and 7 assists on a Tuesday after the full moon in a leap year" stat. You mean to tell me stats like that matter much. That why stats don't tell the whole story and numbers can be manipulated to show anything.

This isn't exactly rocket surgery.

No it isn't.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

ehhh no...you can argue malone's longevity and scoring and rebounding but you cant argue duncan's leadership and rings...plus duncan has two MVPs(does malone have two?..im really not sure...need to look it up) plus duncan is arguably a better defender

but i see the point you're trying to make

It's interchangeable at best. Duncan really was a poor man's Olajuwon in my opinion. Karl Malone wasn't quite the defender or defender that Duncan was, but he is a much better scorer.

And, yes, Malone has two MVPs. But so does Nash so the argument is void.

 

[Glide2keva]

LOL, and whose picture do they use in that article?

And can someone tell dude to shut the **** up?

 

[houheffna]

Because I don't have to prove my opinion is right. I don't care if it's right or wrong, I just gave it. You don't have to agree.

And he calls others trolls...

 

[Glide2keva]

It's interchangeable at best. Duncan really was a poor man's Olajuwon in my opinion. Karl Malone wasn't quite the defender or defender that Duncan was, but he is a much better scorer.

And, yes, Malone has two MVPs. But so does Nash so the argument is void.

Now quick go get the stats to prove this.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

And Duncan's longevity, like Malone's, is why people consider him to be an all-time great player. People say Duncan was better than Malone because he has 4 titles. But put him in the 90's and let's see how many of those rings he would still have...

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Now quick go get the stats to prove this.

Look man. I respect your opinion, even though I strongly disagree with it, because I know you at least respect mine. But let's not get pissy over it.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Why do that? ESPN just makes up stats to prove someone is better. You know like the "he is the ONLY player to score 25 points, have 9 rebounds, and 7 assists on a Tuesday after the full moon in a leap year" stat. You mean to tell me stats like that matter much. That why stats don't tell the whole story and numbers can be manipulated to show anything.

No, those stats do not matter.

However, points per game, rebounds per game, assists per game, player efficiency, true shooting %, and win shares do matter, and are not made up statistics. You can't deny that when you look at those things, and see that Lebron has been more important to his team winning than Scottie, in half the games, that Lebron is better than Scottie.

 

[houheffna]

And Duncan's longevity, like Malone's, is why people consider him to be an all-time great player. People say Duncan was better than Malone because he has 4 titles. But put him in the 90's and let's see how many of those rings he would still have...

Wow...you actually make a damn good point there...Jordan shut down a lot of greats...

 

[Glide2keva]

Look man. I respect your opinion, even though I strongly disagree with it, because I know you at least respect mine. But let's not get pissy over it.

That wasn't really at you man. It was just to say, sometimes you don't need stats to prove everything. Sometimes an opinion, is just that, an opinion.

No douchiness meant

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Wow...you actually make a damn good point there...Jordan shut down a lot of greats...

And if you and I ever agree on something then, in all likelihood, it's true. ^_^

 

[Glide2keva]

No, those stats do not matter.

However, points per game, rebounds per game, assists per game, player efficiency, true shooting %, and win shares do matter, and are not made up statistics. You can't deny that when you look at those things, and see that Lebron has been more important to his team winning than Scottie, in half the games, that Lebron is better than Scottie.

Those are the only stats I respect. You can keep the rest, especially TS%

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

It's interchangeable at best. Duncan really was a poor man's Olajuwon in my opinion. Karl Malone wasn't quite the defender or defender that Duncan was, but he is a much better scorer.

And, yes, Malone has two MVPs. But so does Nash so the argument is void.

Not so fast my friend....

Nash's two MVP Awards shouldn't have anything to do with the Malone-Duncan debate. We're talking two PF's and one PG, you can't make that comparison.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

That wasn't really at you man. It was just to say, sometimes you don't need stats to prove everything. Sometimes an opinion, is just that, an opinion.

No douchiness meant

Fair enough.

You don't necessarily need stats to make a valid case for something. I tend to go more towards observations. But I at least try to take emotion out of the equation... and I still have plenty of ammunition to use against LeBron (who I also feel is very overrated).

 

[Glide2keva]

And Duncan's longevity, like Malone's, is why people consider him to be an all-time great player. People say Duncan was better than Malone because he has 4 titles. But put him in the 90's and let's see how many of those rings he would still have...

He'd get none. Jordan, Isiah, and the dream had the 90's on lock. Except 99. but there was no team to challenge them beside LA.