2012 Chicago Blackhawks Free Agency & Trade news, rumors, and updates

[nwfisch]

Yea...but haven't the Blackhawks core won a Stanley Cup before?

My personal opinion is that the Blackhawks have plenty of skill but they need to work on their depth. Their core isn't the issue here.

Last I checked the team won the title, not the core.

Players like Dave Bolland, Patrick Kane are good players.

If the team continues to hold on to them and pay them as a "core member" I think the line gets a little blurry of what a true core player is or isn't.

 

[tbo41fan]

exactly...our core is stanley cup level...that has been proven already

we need the depth to contend again.

Just because Bowman has only signed 1 player when only maybe 40% of the free agents have signed doesnt mean they have given up on winning and are only trying to improve the bottom line

 

[HawkWriter]

Last I checked the team won the title, not the core.

Players like Dave Bolland, Patrick Kane are good players.

If the team continues to hold on to them and pay them as a "core member" I think the line gets a little blurry of what a true core player is or isn't.

You just said "The Bulls believe(d) that their core can win a title. How's that looking right now? " so now you don't blame the Bulls core for not winning a title? You just went back on what you said in a previous post that I was replying to.

This Blackhawks core has won a Stanley Cup before, so I don't know what your point is.

I don't consider Bolland part of the core. The core is a big reason (different from "only reason") why a team wins a Stanley Cup and I believe the Blackhawks have a top core in place in the league. They are lacking depth. Plenty of skill (see goals score last year) but there needs to be depth.

 

[tbo41fan]

You just said "The Bulls believe(d) that their core can win a title. How's that looking right now? " so now you don't blame the Bulls core for not winning a title? You just went back on what you said in a previous post that I was replying to.

This Blackhawks core has won a Stanley Cup before, so I don't know what your point is.

I don't consider Bolland part of the core. The core is a big reason (different from "only reason") why a team wins a Stanley Cup and I believe the Blackhawks have a top core in place in the league. They are lacking depth. Plenty of skill (see goals score last year) but there needs to be depth.

yes...nobody is saying the team is perfect, but saying that the hawks aren't trying to win because they are holding onto their core and building around it makes no sense

 

[nwfisch]

You just said "The Bulls believe(d) that their core can win a title. How's that looking right now? " so now you don't blame the Bulls core for not winning a title? You just went back on what you said in a previous post that I was replying to.

This Blackhawks core has won a Stanley Cup before, so I don't know what your point is.

I don't consider Bolland part of the core. The core is a big reason (different from "only reason") why a team wins a Stanley Cup and I believe the Blackhawks have a top core in place in the league. They are lacking depth. Plenty of skill (see goals score last year) but there needs to be depth.

My point is the team loses the guys like Ladd, Byfuglien etc. and don't really replace them, yet keep valuable pieces off the trade block to fill needs tells me that the team is more interested in staying in the hunt (which they should do with all the talent they have) than making moves to be contenders.

Trading Oakley wasn't a popular move for the Bulls in the 80's, it worked for the Bulls.

It can also backfire no doubt, playing it safe with a team that made two consecutive first round exits doesn't sit well with me.

 

[nwfisch]

You just said "The Bulls believe(d) that their core can win a title. How's that looking right now? " so now you don't blame the Bulls core for not winning a title? You just went back on what you said in a previous post that I was replying to.

This Blackhawks core has won a Stanley Cup before, so I don't know what your point is.

I don't consider Bolland part of the core. The core is a big reason (different from "only reason") why a team wins a Stanley Cup and I believe the Blackhawks have a top core in place in the league. They are lacking depth. Plenty of skill (see goals score last year) but there needs to be depth.

My point is the team loses the guys like Ladd, Byfuglien etc. and don't really replace them, yet keep valuable pieces off the trade block to fill needs tells me that the team is more interested in staying in the hunt (which they should do with all the talent they have) than making moves to be a better team.

Trading Oakley wasn't a popular move for the Bulls in the 80's, it worked for the Bulls.

It can also backfire no doubt, but playing it safe with a team that made two consecutive first round exits doesn't sit well with me.

 

[Diehardfan]

What fluff exactly?

I think you need to realize that when Bowman opens his mouth to the media and talks about how he likes his team, his goalie, etc...it means absolutely nothing. What else is Bowman, Rocky, McD, etc supposed to say? It is simply talk and nothing more. You seem to get so worked up and call Bowman an idiot every time he speaks...but you are taking what he says as fact, and that probably isn't true most of the time. I'm sure Bowman and team are working behind closed doors to fix the needs that they see, it is a team effort not just one guy when it comes to management.

Exactly. I'm not a Bowman fan but no GM is going to go and say anything but good things about his players. If he didn't, it would diminish the trade value of anyone he had on the block. That's one of their jobs, face the media and blow smoke up everyone's ass.

 

[HawkWriter]

yes...nobody is saying the team is perfect, but saying that the hawks aren't trying to win because they are holding onto their core and building around it makes no sense

There is still time to get that depth. There is time to make a big splash. Time to replace a goalie. Etc etc.

Some of these things may get done, none of them may, or some how all of them. I sure hope that a good balance of them get done and that the Blackhawks use up their remaining (minus about 2Mil for injuries and trades in season) cap space in an efficient manner.

I have no issue with people ripping Bowman/staff apart if he doesn't get the job done, but the deadline to get the job done is no where near. We are a week into free agency. ONE WEEK!

 

[nwfisch]

There is still time to get that depth. There is time to make a big splash. Time to replace a goalie. Etc etc.

Some of these things may get done, none of them may, or some how all of them. I sure hope that a good balance of them get done and that the Blackhawks use up their remaining (minus about 2Mil for injuries and trades in season) cap space in an efficient manner.

I have no issue with people ripping Bowman/staff apart if he doesn't get the job done, but the deadline to get the job done is no where near. We are a week into free agency. ONE WEEK!

And when/if Bowman doesn't get the job done, people will defend him still, saying that Parise wanted to go to Minnesota all along.

There still has to be a plan B implemented, and I don't think Bowman's is as big as I want it to be.

 

[HawkWriter]

My point is the team loses the guys like Ladd, Byfuglien etc. and don't really replace them, yet keep valuable pieces off the trade block to fill needs tells me that the team is more interested in staying in the hunt (which they should do with all the talent they have) than making moves to be a better team.

Trading Oakley wasn't a popular move for the Bulls in the 80's, it worked for the Bulls.

It can also backfire no doubt, but playing it safe with a team that made two consecutive first round exits doesn't sit well with me.

I am really confused at what you are trying to get at.

The Blackhawks lost those players because they became cap casualties. They became cap casualties due to ELC bonuses, bad free agent signing, and botched RFA signings.

Why would the Blackhawks trade part of their core to replace them with depth players? That seems to be what you are getting at. The Blackhawks should not be looking to put those valuable pieces (Toews, Keith, etc) on the block for players like Ladd...as much as a player like Ladd is needed on this team, a Toews is needed more.

Also, comparing hockey to basketball rarely works and I don't see it working here. Completely different situations and a hockey team usually has to be a whole lot more complete than an NBA team because in hockey you have to use a whole lot more players throughout a game than in the NBA.

 

[dabynsky]

I am really confused at what you are trying to get at.

The Blackhawks lost those players because they became cap casualties. They became cap casualties due to ELC bonuses, bad free agent signing, and botched RFA signings.

Why would the Blackhawks trade part of their core to replace them with depth players? That seems to be what you are getting at. The Blackhawks should not be looking to put those valuable pieces (Toews, Keith, etc) on the block for players like Ladd...as much as a player like Ladd is needed on this team, a Toews is needed more.

Also, comparing hockey to basketball rarely works and I don't see it working here. Completely different situations and a hockey team usually has to be a whole lot more complete than an NBA team because in hockey you have to use a whole lot more players throughout a game than in the NBA.

The impact of one star player is a lot higher on an NBA team than an NHL team. While having superstar players is always good, the need for them in the NHL is a lot lower than the NBA.

 

[nwfisch]

I am really confused at what you are trying to get at.

The Blackhawks lost those players because they became cap casualties. They became cap casualties due to ELC bonuses, bad free agent signing, and botched RFA signings.

Why would the Blackhawks trade part of their core to replace them with depth players? That seems to be what you are getting at. The Blackhawks should not be looking to put those valuable pieces (Toews, Keith, etc) on the block for players like Ladd...as much as a player like Ladd is needed on this team, a Toews is needed more.

Also, comparing hockey to basketball rarely works and I don't see it working here. Completely different situations and a hockey team usually has to be a whole lot more complete than an NBA team because in hockey you have to use a whole lot more players throughout a game than in the NBA.

I didn't mention Toews or Keith in my argument. I mentioned Kane and Bolland. Two completely different players, skill levels and roles on the team.

Not saying have a fire sale of those guys just because, but I think both can bring back more than what they are worth to the current team.

 

[HawkWriter]

I didn't mention Toews or Keith in my argument. I mentioned Kane and Bolland. Two completely different players, skill levels and roles on the team.

Not saying have a fire sale of those guys just because, but I think both can bring back more than what they are worth to the current team.

Well in the argument we were talking about the "core". Toews/Keith are part of the core which is why I brought them up.

I don't see Bolland moving, especially if Q really has as much power on the development of this team as it is being made out to be. Bolland is exactly the type of depth player the Blackhawks need on their team at 3C. Having Bolland at 3C (with a real 2C) is a huge boost in terms of depth with this team.

Sure moving Kane can fill holes but it opens up a pretty big one. Kane is definitely tradeable but I don't think the Blackhawks are going to be quick to pull the trigger on him because of what he can bring to the ice.

 

[Capt. Serious]

but Bolland is the greatest ever & should win a Selke every year.

 

[tbo41fan]

There is still time to get that depth. There is time to make a big splash. Time to replace a goalie. Etc etc.

Some of these things may get done, none of them may, or some how all of them. I sure hope that a good balance of them get done and that the Blackhawks use up their remaining (minus about 2Mil for injuries and trades in season) cap space in an efficient manner.

I have no issue with people ripping Bowman/staff apart if he doesn't get the job done, but the deadline to get the job done is no where near. We are a week into free agency. ONE WEEK!

I get what your saying, but the thing that is staying on everyone's mind is that Bowman had cap space last year and at the deadline and didnt improve enough. I know there could have been circumstances to lead to our targets going elsewhere, but at the end of the day, we see Bowman sign players like Brunette that dont work out

 

[tbo41fan]

but Bolland is the greatest ever & should win a Selke every year.

We have a thread for that discussion

 

[HawkWriter]

I get what your saying, but the thing that is staying on everyone's mind is that Bowman had cap space last year and at the deadline and didnt improve enough. I know there could have been circumstances to lead to our targets going elsewhere, but at the end of the day, we see Bowman sign players like Brunette that dont work out

I agree that it wasn't used up last year for whatever reason.

What I'm saying, and seems like you are understanding, is that there is still time to use up that space in an efficient manner. People freaking out over one week, when we really don't know much of what is going on behind closed doors, is just comical to me.

I'd like to see the Blackhawks use up another $5 mil or so in cap space and have a couple mil left over if an injury occurs or if a trade presents itself in the middle of the season.

 

[tbo41fan]

I agree that it wasn't used up last year for whatever reason.

What I'm saying, and seems like you are understanding, is that there is still time to use up that space in an efficient manner. People freaking out over one week, when we really don't know much of what is going on behind closed doors, is just comical to me.

I'd like to see the Blackhawks use up another $5 mil or so in cap space and have a couple mil left over if an injury occurs or if a trade presents itself in the middle of the season.

ya for sure. I was just saying that some dont "buy" the its still early line because we said that last year and we got bruno and SOD. lol

 

[DewsSox79]

nah, we freaked out by bad trade deadlines and 1 bad offseason so far. just going by his resume at this point.

for those who think there isnt a chance that winning the cup is not number 1 priority are fucking stupid. there is a great possibility that it isnt number 1, especially with MCD employed by the team. Fans that think "oh nozz they are all about winning" are the major demographic and feed the business. its called false hope.

 

[tbo41fan]

nah, we freaked out by bad trade deadlines and 1 bad offseason so far. just going by his resume at this point.

for those who think there isnt a chance that winning the cup is not number 1 priority are fucking stupid. there is a great possibility that it isnt number 1, especially with MCD employed by the team. Fans that think "oh nozz they are all about winning" are the major demographic and feed the business. its called false hope.

For a team like phoenix or colombus their #1 task might not be winning the cup but increasing attendance and $$$

A team like the hawks with that strong core of players is trying to win

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