2013-14 NHL Season Discussion

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Of course I know Dustin Brown didn't do that because of Hertl's 4 goals, he did it because he's a dirty player.  I was just saying Oates got his wish in someone "teaching him to respect the league" because he dared to smile after he scored 4 goals in one game.  That is a perfect example of the Old NHL mentality (as well as his comments about Wilson's hit)  which needs to go away, no matter what other leagues are going through, pointless to bring those up (some of which even apply to the NHL as well). Their problems don't somehow negate or cancel out the NHL's problems. And you know Oates isn't alone in that, you know that there are others who believe that way, but are smarter not to say something like that publicly.</p>


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Explain to me how it's acceptable that a coach in the NHL can come out and essentially say he'd like to see a young emerging star injured or hurt because he had a really good game. It's one thing for a dumbass horrible "player" like Cam Janssen to say things like he wants to hurt guys, but to have a coach come out and encourage that? I  don't see how  NOT wanting that means I'm trying to dumb down the game or "pussifying" the league or whatever the  argument is against it. The league is literally only hurting itself the more they allow things like this to go by without at least saying anything about it.</p>

 

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LoL **** Mike Smith</p>


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http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hdpid=49&id=520058&lang=en</p>

 

[CLWolf81]

John Scott scored last night.... Not kidding. The last time he scored was as a Hawk, lol....</p>


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http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=521149&catid=35</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

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John Scott scored last night.... Not kidding. The last time he scored was as a Hawk, lol....</p>


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http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=521149&catid=35</p>
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A goal or point?</p>


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Last time he scored a goal was 165 games ago with the Wild.</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

P.S. John Scott and Mike Smith have more goals this year than Alex Burrows.</p>

 

[CLWolf81]

But again, do they pull hair? Scott might beat the living crap out of someone, but I doubt he pulls hair. </p>

 

[CLWolf81]

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A goal or point?</p>


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Last time he scored a goal was 165 games ago with the Wild.</p>
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Oh geez... thats a wow. I thought he had at least one with the Hawks sometime... </p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

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But again, do they pull hair? Scott might beat the living crap out of someone, but I doubt he pulls hair. </p>
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Remember this?</p>


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPj6yiaTzY</p>

 

[CLWolf81]

Thats still not hair pulling... but still that was fun to watch.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Variable, at what point did Oates threaten the kid or imply someone should take him out. He only referred that some people don't take those things kindly especially when blowing out a team. I don't know if you are trying to turn this into something that is not true to go along with your bs point but it wasn't because he smiled it was because he put his stick between his legs and went top shelf. Oates didn't call for anyone to harm Hertl, but instead implied that people don't forget those kinds of actions and that he needs to be careful.


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"I think it was a little bit of a mood thing, which I'm sure they talked about, because they didn't play him after that," Oates continued. "I'm glad the coach did that because this league, it will bite you if you're not sharp. Don't disrespect the league. I'm sure it was a rookie mistake."


"Great move, don't get me wrong — it's a shootout move or something, and it's great," Oates said. "I'm glad the way San Jose treated it. As long as he doesn't disrespect the league. The league's hard."

 

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The actions of scoring a goal in maybe the only way he could have scored it? Tell me, what was he supposed to do on that breakaway? Hmm? Give Biron an easier shot to stop? Consider Biron's feelings and the feelings of the New York Rangers by not  attempting to score? Who's "pussifying" what now?</p>


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If I was your attorney I'd advise to just stop here with this and not answer any of that, just to plead the fifth, because the more you break this down, the more ridiculous it gets in having to try and justify or explain what Oates was saying. And of which you didn't include, in your "verbatim" quote you took from him, this key part:</p>


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“I’m upset. I was just talking to George [McPhee] and he said all the kids do that nowadays, which I understand. But would he have done it on his first goal?� Oates said. “He hasn’t scored yet tonight and he gets a breakaway, is he going to do that on his breakaway? We’ll see.</p>


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Players and coaches that have antiquated attitudes like Oates'  towards "actions" like scoring a fucking goal and the retribution they feel that needs to come for daring to do that are a big part of what makes this league a garage league. Upset he scored an amazing goal? How about playing fucking defense?  It's only in the NHL that a teenager, a kid, can grasp the spotlight on hockey's biggest stage and wow everyone with his skill and talent ........ and where some people in the goddamn league itself will see that same amazing thing and instead of thinking of how great it is for their sport to have such promising young prospects like that coming up instead thinks :</p>


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Somebody should hurt that kid and teach him a lesson.</p>


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You know that's what they mean. Let's not start playing dumb again. Hertl scoring in the way he did does absolutely no damage or harm to the sport, to the league, to anything or anybody, rather it's the opposite effect.  It's attitudes like Oates' that do the damage.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

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The actions of scoring a goal in maybe the only way he could have scored it? Tell me, what was he supposed to do on that breakaway? Hmm? Give Biron an easier shot to stop? Consider Biron's feelings and the feelings of the New York Rangers by not attempting to score? Who's "pussifying" what now?


If I was your attorney I'd advise to just stop here with this and not answer any of that, just to plead the fifth, because the more you break this down, the more ridiculous it gets in having to try and justify or explain what Oates was saying. And of which you didn't include, in your "verbatim" quote you took from him, this key part:


“I’m upset. I was just talking to George [McPhee] and he said all the kids do that nowadays, which I understand. But would he have done it on his first goal?” Oates said. “He hasn’t scored yet tonight and he gets a breakaway, is he going to do that on his breakaway? We’ll see.


Players and coaches that have antiquated attitudes like Oates' towards "actions" like scoring a fucking goal and the retribution they feel that needs to come for daring to do that are a big part of what makes this league a garage league. Upset he scored an amazing goal? How about playing fucking defense? It's only in the NHL that a teenager, a kid, can grasp the spotlight on hockey's biggest stage and wow everyone with his skill and talent ........ and where some people in the goddamn league itself will see that same amazing thing and instead of thinking of how great it is for their sport to have such promising young prospects like that coming up instead thinks :


Somebody should hurt that kid and teach him a lesson.


You know that's what they mean. Let's not start playing dumb again. Hertl scoring in the way he did does absolutely no damage or harm to the sport, to the league, to anything or anybody, rather it's the opposite effect. It's attitudes like Oates' that do the damage.</p></blockquote>
Hahahahaha does anybody agree with this? I mean the logic is idiotic.


Oates never implied someone should hurt him, he implied that some people might feel disrespected by it or feel he's "rubbing it in" and that teams and players don't take it well to such actions.


It's a fancy move, and while I thought it was a cool goal, the first thought that popped into my mind is "That's ballsy in a blowout, he's gonna need to keep his head up". Going by your logic, I just threatened him.


No, it's common sense that if you are going to showboat in a blowout that the other team may take offense to it. They may be gunning for you the next time you get the puck.


I don't see any harm in the move outside of the other team feeling disrespected, but I agree wih your assessment of, "well play defense next time", though some skaters, especially the other team don't feel that way.

 

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Hahahahaha does anybody agree with this? I mean the logic is idiotic.


Oates never implied someone should hurt him, he implied that some people might feel disrespected by it or feel he's "rubbing it in" and that teams and players don't take it well to such actions.


It's a fancy move, and while I thought it was a cool goal, the first thought that popped into my mind is "That's ballsy in a blowout, he's gonna need to keep his head up". Going by your logic, I just threatened him.

No, it's common sense that if you are going to showboat in a blowout that the other team may take offense to it. They may be gunning for you the next time you get the puck.


I don't see any harm in the move outside of the other team feeling disrespected, but I agree wih your assessment of, "well play defense next time", though some skaters, especially the other team don't feel that way.</p>
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This applies o Football, Baseball... as well. Stand at home plate watching your homerun ball go over the fence in a blow out and prepare to get beaned on your next at bat.</p>

 

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Hahahahaha does anybody agree with this? I mean the logic is idiotic.


Oates never implied someone should hurt him, he implied that some people might feel disrespected by it or feel he's "rubbing it in" and that teams and players don't take it well to such actions.


It's a fancy move, and while I thought it was a cool goal, the first thought that popped into my mind is "That's ballsy in a blowout, he's gonna need to keep his head up". Going by your logic, I just threatened him.


No, it's common sense that if you are going to showboat in a blowout that the other team may take offense to it. They may be gunning for you the next time you get the puck.


I don't see any harm in the move outside of the other team feeling disrespected, but I agree wih your assessment of, "well play defense next time", though some skaters, especially the other team don't feel that way.</p>
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And those teams and players and coaches are wrong. Any team on the losing end of a blow out should always look to themselves if they want to be angry at somebody.  Again, the more you break this down, the worse it gets. Was Hertl supposed to not score? Should he have just not done anything? No he made a really nice move and scored a goal in maybe the only way he could've in that situation, I don't see that as showboating, that's just scoring a goal. Like I said, the attitude that players and coaches  have about that is what is damaging to the game, not players scoring really great goals.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

That's your opinion and some agree with that, others are of the old school mentality.


My biggest point is you said:


Not the first time Oates proved how stupid he was by what he said, he essentially called for someone to take Hertl out earlier this season when he smiled about scoring 4 goals in a game, a game that didn't even involve the Capitals. Well, he got his Christmas wish, because Hertl is probably done for the season "


When in reality he did no such thing. His opinion was of the old school that if you make a showboating move (and many people consider putting your stick through your legs and going bardown as showboating) you need to be careful as some may take that as disrespect. He didn't say or imply someone needs to take him out, he gave him some advice/nonthreatening warning/heads up that some may take that move as disrespect over a downed opponent.


It's no different if your a rookie making a name for yourself and you run a star player with a heavy, but legal hit. When you comeback to the bench and one of your veteran teammates says "you better keep your head up as the other team didn't like that" are we to assume by your logic that his teammates was calling for his head?

 

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That's your opinion and some agree with that, others are of the old school mentality.


My biggest point is you said:


Not the first time Oates proved how stupid he was by what he said, he essentially called for someone to take Hertl out earlier this season when he smiled about scoring 4 goals in a game, a game that didn't even involve the Capitals. Well, he got his Christmas wish, because Hertl is probably done for the season "


When in reality he did no such thing. His opinion was of the old school that if you make a showboating move (and many people consider putting your stick through your legs and going bardown as showboating) you need to be careful as some may take that as disrespect. He didn't say or imply someone needs to take him out, he gave him some advice/nonthreatening warning/heads up that some may take that move as disrespect over a downed opponent.


It's no different if your a rookie making a name for yourself and you run a star player with a heavy, but legal hit. When you comeback to the bench and one of your veteran teammates says "you better keep your head up as the other team didn't like that" are we to assume by your logic that his teammates was calling for his head?</p>
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Yeah, you're right. Guys like Oates, who would expect his team to do something like go after Hertl.  Like I said, you failed to put in the most important part of that quote that you took "verbatim" from Oates, and for good reason, because it completely kills your argument. He said he was upset that he did that. This happens every year, this is nothing new. Every year there's some dinosaur in the NHL that takes offense to something like this and makes it into some kind of "league problem" with respecting the game. It's their bullshit idea of decorum, their age old mentality that needs to go away from the game, not amazing goals like Hertl's. It's not just the dinosaurs though, even young players have that Old NHL attitude, it's kinda sad. Even teammates of the player who gets criticized. That's how ingrained it is in the culture.</p>


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Luongo of all people had one of the few right views on it from the NHL:</p>


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“If he scored on me, I wouldn’t be pissed if he scored that way.�</p>


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Hitting is a different matter altogether, along with it's own set of "unwritten" rules that sometimes aren't even followed that no one even really knows what they are anymore.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

He's upset why? He never implies why and if you want to say its because he did that, he still never says someone should take him out. He's saying some might feel it was rubbing it in and disrespectful.


After the entire Steve Moore-Bertuzzi incident, where Bertuzzi claims his coach told him to go after Moore, I would think the NHL would be all over that type of a "threat". But it wasn't a threat, it was a warning that some may not to kindly to such a move.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

And who gives a shit that some people follow the old school mentality that you shouldn't disrespect a team you are blowing out? That's how they feel and they wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that either.


You're blowing Oates words out of proportion and turning it into something it's not. He didn't say someone should hurt the kid, nor did he imply it.


I don't care about the move or what Oates thought of him doing it or the old school thought process. I'm arguing that Oates didn't say someone should hurt Hertl like you claimed he did.

 

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Playing dumb it is then huh. He was asked about the goal (for some reason, seeing as it had nothing to do with the Capitals). That's what he was upset about. The goal. That's what his response was. But that's alright. I mean, it's not like the guy just defended a dirty hit, called it clean, and said it shouldn't have even been a penalty.  Agree to disagree again.</p>


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Scoring a goal=disrespecting a team. I think the NHL needs to release a whole new updated textbook of unwritten rules, and have seminars for everyone so that everybody will finally understand the "honor" that the game is lacking.</p>

 

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Playing dumb it is then huh. He was asked about the goal (for some reason, seeing as it had nothing to do with the Capitals). That's what he was upset about. The goal. That's what his response was. But that's alright. I mean, it's not like the guy just defended a dirty hit, called it clean, and said it shouldn't have even been a penalty.  Agree to disagree again.</p>


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Scoring a goal=disrespecting a team. I think the NHL needs to relase a whole new updated textbook of unwritten rules, and have seminars for everyone so that everybody will finally understand the "honor" that the game is lacking.</p>


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No, it's only you that doesn't understand.</p>
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