2014 DRAFT CHAT

[theberserkfury]

Tommy Thorpe in the 8th... not seeing much as far as scouting goes... any opinions?

 

[beckdawg]

Tommy Thorpe in the 8th... not seeing much as far as scouting goes... any opinions?

They said on the draft cast he was a control lefty IIRC out of Oregon. Think top end was 5th starter

 

[beckdawg]

James Faris(Not sure on spelling) is their 9th round. "Pitchability right hander." They didn't seem to have much to say about him.

 

[beckdawg]

Ryan Williams in the 10th. Didn't have all that much to say. Sounds like he was a cheaper guy.

 

[theberserkfury]

I thought we'd see one more overslot guy before today was done... that's disappointing.

 

[brett05]

Any top 100 guys for the next ranking?

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[beckdawg]

Any top 100 guys for the next ranking?

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Since the guys I posted with ranking, none of the guys selected were in mlb.com's top 200. Sounds like they were going to need money for Cease and Sands. I don't know if that means they still have some additional money left over or not.

Also, saw this on Farris

http://www.azdesertswarm.com/arizon...zona-wildcats-baseball-mlb-draft-james-farris

 

[chibears55]

I don't know any of these players, was this a good draft, ok draft, bad draft.. we shall see draft ?

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[beckdawg]

To follow up the mlb.com rankings, here's the BA's rankings

(#4) Kyle Schwarber, C/LF - #17
(#49) Jake Stinnett, RHP - #67
(#78) Mark Zagunis, C - #111
(#109) Carson Sands, LHP - #53
(#139) Justin Steele, LHP - #121
(#169) Dylan Cease, RHP - #77
(#199) James Norwood, RHP - #79

Looking like they got a lot of decent level talent rather than a lot of elite players. All of the 5 arms they took look like they could be interesting. In 2012 you had guys like Eddie Butler and Pierce Johnson going in the 40's. In 2011, you had Kyle Crick in the 40's. Henry Owens went in the mid 30's. In 2010, you had Taijuan Walker go in the 40's. Anthony Ranaudo and Noah Syndergaard were late 30's picks. Drew Smyly went in the 60's. So, you can pull some interesting talent out of the middle rounds.

I've also heard that the new CBA kind of neutered this draft in that a lot of the interesting prep players 2 years ago chose to sign rather than go to college and risk the issues with the new slot spending. Overall, I think the arms they got were interesting enough to satisfy me. However, I think you really need to hold out for a elite pitching prospect in a potential Shark trade. Over the past 2 years they've built a lot of depth in pitching of which you could have some diamonds turn up though even if they don't there's a lot of interesting 3-5 types. However, what they are missing are "sure things."

 

[beckdawg]

I don't know any of these players, was this a good draft, ok draft, bad draft.. we shall see draft ?

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I'd go with we shall see. I don't think there's a Kris Bryant in here. Schwarber could be interesting but after him you're looking at a lot of potential 2nd-4th round types. If some of them shine you could end up looking really good. If they are what you expect it's probably decent but not amazing like you hope with the #4 pick.

 

[chibears55]

To follow up the mlb.com rankings, here's the BA's rankings

(#4) Kyle Schwarber, C/LF - #17
(#49) Jake Stinnett, RHP - #67
(#78) Mark Zagunis, C - #111
(#109) Carson Sands, LHP - #53
(#139) Justin Steele, LHP - #121
(#169) Dylan Cease, RHP - #77
(#199) James Norwood, RHP - #79

Looking like they got a lot of decent level talent rather than a lot of elite players. All of the 5 arms they took look like they could be interesting. In 2012 you had guys like Eddie Butler and Pierce Johnson going in the 40's. In 2011, you had Kyle Crick in the 40's. Henry Owens went in the mid 30's. In 2010, you had Taijuan Walker go in the 40's. Anthony Ranaudo and Noah Syndergaard were late 30's picks. Drew Smyly went in the 60's. So, you can pull some interesting talent out of the middle rounds.

I've also heard that the new CBA kind of neutered this draft in that a lot of the interesting prep players 2 years ago chose to sign rather than go to college and risk the issues with the new slot spending. Overall, I think the arms they got were interesting enough to satisfy me. However, I think you really need to hold out for a elite pitching prospect in a potential Shark trade. Over the past 2 years they've built a lot of depth in pitching of which you could have some diamonds turn up though even if they don't there's a lot of interesting 3-5 types. However, what they are missing are "sure things."

Looks like they took the route of college arms that are more polished and could be ready within 2 yrs..

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[beckdawg]

Looks like they took the route of college arms that are more polished and could be ready within 2 yrs..

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To some extent. Stinnett and Norwood were college arms. However, Sands and Cease are the more intriguing guys and they are prepsters. Steele is also a prep pitcher. After that they did go some more college arms.

 

[chibears55]

@ChrisCotillo: Source: #Cubs in agreement with third-round pick (78th overall) Mark Zagunis for $615K. Under slot value, which is $714,900.

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[Captain Obvious]

Its a sad state of affairs when the draft thread has more posts than the last 2 ISTs combined.

The draft happens once a year. There are over 50 ISTs. It makes sense to me.

 

[JZsportsfan]

Cubs gonna have a lot of power in the lineup in 3 years

 

[dabears253313]

Its a sad state of affairs when the draft thread has more posts than the last 2 ISTs combined.

There's no future because the Cubs don't promote their players. We'll have to wait another 5 years until at least one of these players are promoted the the majors LOL.

"Oh, you're the best player in the minors? You're staying put because we are competing for the worst record in the MLB. Starlin Castro is the only exception. He had two all star appearances at the age of 21 and 22 and we were mad about that so we won't promote anyone else."

- Cubs organization

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

The Cubs got potentially two of the biggest steals in Day 2.

James Norwood, a seventh round RHP out of St. Louis University, is a 20 year old junior who is throwing solid fastball strikes and mixing in a curveball, cutter-type slider and changeup. Some scouts like his changeup while others prefer his curveball as his better secondary pitch. Norwood needs innings and experience most to help determine if he can be a future No. 3 or No. 4 starter or if he has to move to a bullpen.

Dylan Cease, a sixth round RHP pitcher out of Milton High School in Georgia, was shaping up to be a selection on Day 1 until a partial tear of his ulnar collateral ligament cut his senior season short. That makes it more likely that the Vanderbilt commit will choose to go to school, unless he gets a big enough bonus to make him decide otherwise. The right-hander works from a three-quarters slot with lightning-quick arm speed; has a tendency to rush forward after pause in delivery, which in turn causes him to rip open with his front side with his arm dragging behind; arm action is otherwise clean and allows him to create excellent plane; unfair to speculate as to how his current elbow injury (and treatment for said injury) will affect him moving forward.

 

[dabears253313]

Johnny Manziel drafted by the Padres.

 

[dabynsky]

Any top 100 guys for the next ranking?

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I would say Cease would have the best chance once healthy. Schwarber is going to have to prove that he can hit a bit before he gets love given that many think of him as a 1B/DH type. Proving that he can handle being behind the plate or LF would see his stock skyrocket on prospect lists. If not he is going to have to mash, and mash at higher levels than he will get to at least the end of 2015. Sands was a fast riser type that just recently really moved into the top 50 draft prospect lists so he will need to show the velocity gains and a bit before he gets top 100 love I guess. Cease has to be healthy, but once he is the old saying you can't teach 99 very much applies.

Cubs gonna have a lot of power in the lineup in 3 years

That is the hope. The Cubs have truly come a long way from three years ago Brett Jackson being the best power hitter in the system. However, a long way to go before Schwarber, Bryant, Baez, etc. will actually make a new murders row.

I wrote a few thoughts up on the draft for World Series Dreaming.
After Day 1
After Day 2

 

[nwfisch]

The draft happens once a year. There are over 50 ISTs. It makes sense to me.

Holy shit dude.

The point is that people are far more excited about the "future" than the present team.

But I know, Thoyer and stuffz :fap: