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Holy shit dude. :obama:

The point is that people are far more excited about the "future" than the present team.

But I know, Thoyer and stuffz :fap:
Judging from most of your posts, it doesn't seem as if you are too excited about the present team. Why should anyone else?
 

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Judging from most of your posts, it doesn't seem as if you are too excited about the present team. Why should anyone else?

Why get excited? Its another firesale coming, Shark will be let go without fair compensation.
 

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Why get excited? Its another firesale coming, Shark will be let go without fair compensation.

And I am sure the shark trade thread will get more activity than an IST thread, too. :D
 

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Holy shit dude. :obama:

The point is that people are far more excited about the "future" than the present team.

But I know, Thoyer and stuffz :fap:

Actually if you look and see who posting in the IST, you wont see the usual Ricketts n Epstein complainers in there..
especially if their winning, occasionally theyll jump in if they blow a game at end to throw some jabs

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So the Cubs get the #4 pick and didn't add a top 100...says a lot

That they weren't gonna put all their money in one big basket but spread it around in many medium size ones....

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So the Cubs get the #4 pick and didn't add a top 100...says a lot

I'm not certain I'd say Schwarber wont make it. It may end up being the back of the top 100 if he does. And even if he doesn't make it this coming year there's a decent change for future years. Either way, that's not entirely the point. The point is whether guys like Cease and Sands make it or more accurately, if they pull 3 or more potential MLB players vs 1 or 2.

Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that there were 3 really good prospects who went top 3. There then were a lot of so-so guys. This draft was largely influenced by the fact that the newest CBA cut into the crop of prep players who wouldn't have normally signed but did fearing the slot spending changes. That's not to scapegoat any selections. Many prospect guys I've read have liked the way the cubs drafted. They took the approach of getting a lot of good guys rather than a couple standout players and scrubs. Given they had missed out on the top 3 who were pretty much a tier above the rest that's not all that surprising.
 

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So the Cubs get the #4 pick and didn't add a top 100...says a lot
Says a lot about the draft because I am not sure there is more than three guys that make a top 100 list right after the draft. Aiken and Rodon are the only sure fire ones. Gordon and Jackson have arguments but Im not sure if they are there just based on what theyve done as amateurs. Maybe Hoffman if you dont hold TJS against him. It was a draft with a very clear top two and then a lot of lot of guys in the middle qithout a lot separatimg them. There was no Bryant college bat in this draft.
 

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I am okay with the strategy.

Young arms are volatile, when the time comes we will trade the power bats to get pitching that can really help.

Schwarber seems like the type of player who just continues to get better and will grind his way up the rankings. And at worst we move him down the road to someone who needs power.

I expect a guy like Vogelbach who is super blocked and would be better in the AL will get added in with Shark to get more from the Blue Jays.
 

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Says a lot about the draft because I am not sure there is more than three guys that make a top 100 list right after the draft. Aiken and Rodon are the only sure fire ones. Gordon and Jackson have arguments but Im not sure if they are there just based on what theyve done as amateurs. Maybe Hoffman if you dont hold TJS against him. It was a draft with a very clear top two and then a lot of lot of guys in the middle qithout a lot separatimg them. There was no Bryant college bat in this draft.

That's a good point. How many guys each year crack the top 100. Thanks!
 

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That's a good point. How many guys each year crack the top 100. Thanks!

It varies a lot from draft to draft. Last year 8 made it by the end of the year which also highlights something that I touched upon when I wrote my post. There aren't any top 100 lists that come out right after the draft. They will do a few top 50 or 75 types lists in midseason that include the draft, but the number could easily jump based on what guys show in the first couple of months of minor league ball. If Scwarber handles catching (not saying they will even try it), but say he looks decent for a couple of months his stock jumps a ton versus those that view him strictly as 1B (which typically isn't rated highly rated on these lists). This draft was a deep draft that had a lot of guys in the 4-10 range that were all ranked very closely. The Cubs went off the board there, and as I wrote about a fair bit of reputation is staked to this pick where the Cubs FO rated Schwarber way ahead of everyone else. We will see in four or five years if they were right.
 

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http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/chc...md=20140607&content_id=78693310&vkey=news_chc

CHICAGO -- The goal from the beginning for Theo Epstein and Co. has been to infuse the Cubs' organization with pitching.

The Cubs continued that trend this week in Major League Baseball's First-Year Player Draft, using 10 of their first 12 picks on arms -- many of whom possess high upside.

"We're really excited about the players we were able to draft over these three days, obviously going back to Day 1 on Thursday," Cubs senior vice president of player development and scouting Jason McLeod said Saturday. "We thought yesterday we were able to get some really high-upside, talented high school pitchers mixed in with the college group we did.

"I said here a couple days ago we were going to make a run on pitching, and certainly we've done that and it's continued into today."

The Cubs selected 21 pitchers (17 right-handers, four lefties), seven catchers, six outfielders and six infielders. Twenty-two of the picks were college players, while five were junior college players. Thirteen were high schoolers.

Though the Cubs selected two catchers with their first three picks -- Indiana's Kyle Schwarber fourth overall and Virginia Tech's Mark Zagunis in the third round -- they took pitchers in rounds 4-12.

The top pitcher selected was Maryland right-hander Jake Stinnett (second round), who on Saturday earned the victory over Virginia in the Super Regionals. Stinnett is a physical pitcher who led the ACC in strikeouts this year and is a pitcher McLeod and the Cubs feel is "on the rise."

The Cubs also took a trio of highly-rated high school arms -- left-hander Carson Sands (fourth), lefty Justin Steele (fifth) and righty Dillon Cease (sixth) -- to join a trio of college aces -- St. Louis right-hander James Norwood (seventh), Oregon lefty Tommy Thorpe (eighth) and Arizona righty James Farris (ninth).

The high school trio was highly rated, but fell due to signing concerns. With Zagunis reportedly agreeing to a $615,000 deal, which is under the $714,900 pick value, the Cubs figure to have wiggle room to sign the young trio.

"In this system of the Draft, you have a pool of money and you have to really work hard to make sure it all fits within the parameters ... and we did," said McLeod, who would not confirm the Zagunis deal.

"We got three young players we think we're going to be able to sign."

Cease, a starter at Milton (Ga.) High School, was one of the hardest-throwing high school pitchers in the Draft class. However, this spring, he had an elbow injury -- a partial tear of the UCL -- that kept him off the mound since March. He chose not to have Tommy John surgery, but the injury allowed him to fall to the Cubs.

"We know that there's risks -- he's a high school right-hander that will probably have to have some procedure on his arm -- but to get that kind of talented player in the sixth round, we certainly felt it was worth it," McLeod said.

A few notable late-round picks include:

• 21st-rounder Charles White, Stinnett's teammate at Maryland and a native of Naperville, Ill.

• 22nd-rounder Joey Martarano, a linebacker at Boise State -- which doesn't have a baseball program.

• 23rd-rounder Isiah Gilliam, a young high school outfielder who was recently reclassified to the 2014 Draft class.

• 30th-rounder Michael Cantu, a catcher out of Foy H. Moody (Texas) High School who was ranked as MLB.com's 139th prospect and is committed to Texas.

But the focus, for the third straight Draft, was pitching. And while the Cubs' farm system is healthier in terms of arms, McLeod said pitching is always going to be a key part of the Draft.

"I don't ever feel [like] you have enough depth, but certainly we've hit it hard now in our third Draft and now we're starting to see some of that get to the upper levels," McLeod said. "That's what you hope for, is now you get to a level and you have prospects there, and we feel like we have that right now.

"Of course it's still going to be a focus for us always, and that played out again in this year's Draft drafting pitchers we did."
 

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That pretty much says why they are going to under slot. 3 HS pitchers that fell due to sign-ability issues. They needed to reduce on the 1 pick to sign the 3 HS arms.

Over all they have improved the over all pitching depth in the system via the draft and trade. This will play out more as time goes on.
 

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Our second day of the draft was really good. No huge splash but real solid picks.
 

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Our second day of the draft was really good. No huge splash but real solid picks.

That is a good description of the 3rd day as well. Some interesting overslot guys there and will be interesting to see how many of those guys they manage to bring in with the savings (my estimated amount to get first 10 signed leaves about 500K for overslots on day 3)
 

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It varies a lot from draft to draft. Last year 8 made it by the end of the year which also highlights something that I touched upon when I wrote my post. There aren't any top 100 lists that come out right after the draft. They will do a few top 50 or 75 types lists in midseason that include the draft, but the number could easily jump based on what guys show in the first couple of months of minor league ball. If Scwarber handles catching (not saying they will even try it), but say he looks decent for a couple of months his stock jumps a ton versus those that view him strictly as 1B (which typically isn't rated highly rated on these lists). This draft was a deep draft that had a lot of guys in the 4-10 range that were all ranked very closely. The Cubs went off the board there, and as I wrote about a fair bit of reputation is staked to this pick where the Cubs FO rated Schwarber way ahead of everyone else. We will see in four or five years if they were right.

4-5 years means what for the major league club?
 

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Quote Originally Posted by dabynsky View Post
It varies a lot from draft to draft. Last year 8 made it by the end of the year which also highlights something that I touched upon when I wrote my post. There aren't any top 100 lists that come out right after the draft. They will do a few top 50 or 75 types lists in midseason that include the draft, but the number could easily jump based on what guys show in the first couple of months of minor league ball. If Scwarber handles catching (not saying they will even try it), but say he looks decent for a couple of months his stock jumps a ton versus those that view him strictly as 1B (which typically isn't rated highly rated on these lists). This draft was a deep draft that had a lot of guys in the 4-10 range that were all ranked very closely. The Cubs went off the board there, and as I wrote about a fair bit of reputation is staked to this pick where the Cubs FO rated Schwarber way ahead of everyone else. We will see in four or five years if they were right.

4-5 years means what for the major league club?

It will 4-5 years for Jackson to evolve into a ML player. Schwarber 3 years at most. Most college players end up in A+ in their 1st full year then 2 years after for development.

Jackson we are looking at 2018-2019.
Schwarber 2016-2017

They need to have players impacting the team faster right now. Worry about the next 5 year span later on.
 

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Having seen Cease's delivery, he looks really deceptive for someone who can touch 97. By the time the ball is visible his arm sort of just explodes through. If he comes back well from the elbow injury fine I think he legitimately has the chance to be as good if not better than Schwarber.

Here's some video
[video=youtube;bIaj-XZXMHk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIaj-XZXMHk[/video]

Control looks like it could use a little work but no one was touching his pitches.
 

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I'm guessing they are going to be looking to trade Castro this year and Lake soon after. Olt if he ever adapts to the league.

They were place holders.

I can see a line up in 3 years
2B: Alcantara
CF: Almora
1B: Rizzo
SS: Baez
3B: Bryant
LF: Schwarber
RF: Soler
C: Castillo

“It’s almost impossible to win with entirely young team. We will need guys like Scott Rolen was around our guys to teach how to win."
 

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