2014 Offseason Thread

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Plus Crosby's was signed when you could still circumvent the cap. Cap hit is 8.7 but he made 12 million this year. That can't happen anymore.</p>

 

[Ton]

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Well if they want Saad, I'll pass. Long term I don't like that deal, especially with Sharp potentially gone down the line.


Why would they want to hold Keslers salary though? He's not on their team so why pay him? It's not like a Versteeg where Florida just wants to get rid of him and is willing to bite the bullet on half his salary. The Hawks would need to offer more than if the Nucks hold some of his salary.</p>
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They wanted Saad before the playoffs started, Stan said no. I'm guessing, if they are talking again, that Saad is not part of the conversation.</p>


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I think that provides a clue about what the Canucks want... young players on the rise.</p>


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If they want to get younger, why wouldn't they take on some of Keslers hit for the next few years, if they don't plan on spending up to the Cap anyway... and maybe can siphon another young prospect or a better young player in a deal? I would do it if I were them.</p>

 

[Ton]

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Doesn't look like it's happening anyway, Sharp's agent has basically come out and said Stan told him he wouldn't be traded.</p>
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Once again, it goes back to what I said earlier... why would the Canucks want Sharp to begin with? I never once believed the Sharp BS rumor. It made no sense, and it was probably some hack like JJ spewing garbage again.</p>


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I don't think this means it's not happening, I think it reinforces what I was saying.</p>

 

[Ton]

Apparently, the Hawks are interested in Stastny, according to Lebrun. I'm sure a lot of teams are "interested" in Stastny though, we'll see how far they take it.</p>


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If that happens, there would have to be some major salary moved.</p>

 

[PatrickShart]

I'll let Stan figure out the salary


He'd be golden. Wanted him for years

 

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Once again, it goes back to what I said earlier... why would the Canucks want Sharp to begin with? I never once believed the Sharp BS rumor. It made no sense, and it was probably some hack like JJ spewing garbage again.</p>


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I don't think this means it's not happening, I think it reinforces what I was saying.</p>
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He was talking about Sharp being traded whatsoever, not Sharp being traded to the Canucks. I don't see any other way of acquiring a cap hit similar to Kesler's without someone like Sharp being gone. And there is no replacement for Seabrook.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

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They wanted Saad before the playoffs started, Stan said no. I'm guessing, if they are talking again, that Saad is not part of the conversation.


I think that provides a clue about what the Canucks want... young players on the rise.


If they want to get younger, why wouldn't they take on some of Keslers hit for the next few years, if they don't plan on spending up to the Cap anyway... and maybe can siphon another young prospect or a better young player in a deal? I would do it if I were them.</p></blockquote>


I don't think teams like playing someone their paying to be honest.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

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And there is no replacement for Seabrook.</p></blockquote>

We had a potential one, but we shipped him to Florida.

 

[Ton]

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I don't think teams like playing someone their paying to be honest.</p>
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If a small market like Florida will do it, I think it's not as big of a deal as most think. It's only two years.</p>


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Florida took half of Versteegs salary ($2.2M)... if Vancouver took $2.2M of Keslers salary, then the Hawks can make it work if Leddy or Shaw are part of the deal. Even if they didn't take $2.2M, they would be at around $70M with 20 guys if someone between $2-3M were involved in the deal.</p>


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It's not a big deal until next season when Kane and Toews have new contracts (if re-signed). They don't have to trade a big contract... anyone with $2-3M could be gone (Shaw, Leddy) and the Hawks would be fine.</p>


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All I'm saying is, for the sake of the rumor, if this was going to happen... the worst case scenario for the Canucks is that they have to retain some of Keslers salary. Could be 500K, 1M, or 2M. I don't know. It doesn't have to happen, but I'm sure Stan would push for that for some flexibility, and on the Canucks side, I'm not sure why they wouldn't if Stan were to throw them an extra bone.</p>


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If the Hawks absolutely have to shed some space, there are other options, such as trading Versteeg (not sure the Canucks would want him, maybe they would do that over retaining salary, but I'm sure someone in the league would take him if the Canucks didn't). Morin, Raanta, and Smith shouldn't have too big of a bump in their salary (actually their cap hits would be lower, according to capgeeks RFA calculator, if that is accurate). For this year, it would work without giving up a big contract. Next year? That's what Stan is paid for.</p>

 

[Ton]

http://www.capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/28789</p>


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Obviously, very little room to work with, and the Hawks like carrying 2-3 extra guys, but that's not impossible to fix. This would be if Shaw were traded, but if Leddy were traded, it would give 700k more flexibility.</p>


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Teuvo and Rasmussen are around 800k each. Those are some of the most expensive choices, as far as prospects go besides Matt Carey and van Riemsdyk. This, of course, is contingent on whether or not CapGeek is accurate.</p>

 

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Not very realistic.</p>

 

[Ton]

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Not very realistic.</p>
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How is that not realistic?</p>


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As far as I'm concerned, that's the most logical scenario if there was a trade to be made for Kesler.</p>


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These are CapGeeks numbers, not mine. If they aren't accurate, then that's not my fault. All that shows is that it is possible. Even if their RFA numbers are off, again, Versteeg can be dumped easily or Vancouver can retain some salary.</p>

 

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Only room for one call up/extra skater with that roster. And that's assuming Smith get's re-signed at that figure. And Raanta.</p>

 

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Only room for one call up/extra skater with that roster. And that's assuming Smith get's re-signed at that figure. And Raanta.</p>
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That is what CapGeek calculates (I'm not sure how they calculate that). They very well could be re-signed higher, and CapGeek could be wrong. But Raanta is replaceable, if it's any higher than $1M anyway.</p>


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Again, if it's too tight, Versteeg could be dealt or Vancouver could retain some salary.</p>

 

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It's definitely going to be more. If I'm Smith, I'm looking for Bollig/Kruger type money.</p>

 

[Ton]

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It's definitely going to be more. If I'm Smith, I'm looking for Bollig/Kruger type money.</p>
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So he gets another 400-600k on top of that, still under the speculated Cap.</p>


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I guess the main point is, people are acting like the Hawks are going to be $5M over the cap if they get Kesler without giving up a big contract... that's not the case, and it's possible to make it work.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Technically the Hawks can go over the cap, they just have to be under by training camp, I believe. Plenty of time to move some money around.

 

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I'll let Stan figure out the salary


He'd be golden. Wanted him for years</p>
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Well it'll be at least 7 million. Good luck Stan.</p>

 

[PatrickShart]

I know I know...the can't get anyone or sign anyone


Fucking crybaby douchebag



Then when they acquire kesler or someone, you can start your fucking period about versteeg again

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

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I know I know...the can't get anyone or sign anyone


Fucking crybaby douchebag



Then when they acquire kesler or someone, you can start your fucking period about versteeg again</p>
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I think you being here is a hate crime... can you please deactivate your account ****** hole?</p>


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I am sick and tired of your jaded opinions.</p>


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TT RULES!!!!!!</p>