2015-2016 Blackhawks Off season thread

[Ton]

Prospect Camp Roster

July 12-17 at Johnny's Icehouse


No Panarin on rosters....but Dano is? He's played in @20 NHL games. Strange

That's it.... SEND HIM BACK TO RUSSIA!

 

[Raskolnikov]

As long as you watched the Panarin highlights you are allowed to say such things. I saw a player who is a lock for first two lines, the guy has special hands. He is Russian Kaner in my book, he has that much swag and style, skill. There isn't a chance in hell he won't make. I don't know how good my eye is in this sport to be honest, so we'll see if I'm right. I haven't seen Tikhonov play but I think he marginally has the talent of a 3rd or 4th line center and the guts and style of one too from what I have read.

I think they both make it, however, I could see an arrangement of sending Tikhonov to Rockford after some lengthy pine. He is Panarin's friend so could get political. We'll see. I still think they both make it. Tikhonov does know what he is signing up for.

And I have a lot of autocorrect issues and just don't fight them, don't care as long as my meaning is conveyed.

 

[Ton]

As long as you watched the Panarin highlights you are allowed to say such things. I saw a player who is a lock for first two lines, the guy has special hands. He is Russian Kaner in my book, he has that much swag and style, skill. There isn't a chance in hell he won't make. I don't know how good my eye is in this sport to be honest, so we'll see if I'm right. I haven't seen Tikhonov play but I think he marginally has the talent of a 3rd or 4th line center and the guts and style of one too from what I have read.

I think they both make it, however, I could see an arrangement of sending Tikhonov to Rockford after some lengthy pine. He is Panarin's friend so could get political. We'll see. I still think they both make it. Tikhonov does know what he is signing up for.

And I have a lot of autocorrect issues and just don't fight them, don't care as long as my meaning is conveyed.

I've seen his highlights... and I still do not care. Every highlight is scored cause the guy has a stick length of space to shoot and make plays. Good luck finding that same space in the NHL. If he plays a full season, I'd peg him at around 10 goals, if I have to be optimistic.

On a side note, BRING BACK BOCHENSKI!

 

[fatbeard]

I've seen his highlights... and I still do not care. Every highlight is scored cause the guy has a stick length of space to shoot and make plays. Good luck finding that same space in the NHL. If he plays a full season, I'd peg him at around 10 goals, if I have to be optimistic.

On a side note, BRING BACK BOCHENSKI!

Even if Panarin only puts up 30 points he still gives you Bickell/Versteeg production. At worst it's a sideways move.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

You can go watch Robbie Schremp highlights all day too, but there's reasons why he couldn't hack it in the NHL. Best way to find out about him is to see him play NHL competition. He did do well at the WCs, but again that's not necessarily the top of the line players either. Some are top talent, but not the whole team.


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[Shantz My Pants]

Looking over the prospects camp roster, none of the black aces are attending. Seems like McNeill is going to have to step his game up as for a 22 year old with 2 years of AHL experience and a former 1st rounder, the fact he wasn't a black ace is putting him in Kyle Beach territory.


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[ClydeLee]

You're again making not fitting comparisons but also not terrible situations.

Schremp put up 2 seasons of .55ppg play which is a positive attribute. He just wasn't healthy. If Panarin can produce for a good portion of this season at a .55ppg level that'd be a great value. That's not something to scouff at adding or to think is better off shipping away. Of course if he's terrible defensively while putting that up it's something.

They got to see the black Aces practice and be coached up for a month. They don't need them at prospects camp but they'll be a different than the regular style role they'll have those more experienced guys in. McNeil/Johns/Dano/whoever else will likely be in the group C doing drills but not any of the scrimmaging

 

[Tater]

You can go watch Robbie Schremp highlights all day too, but there's reasons why he couldn't hack it in the NHL. Best way to find out about him is to see him play NHL competition. He did do well at the WCs, but again that's not necessarily the top of the line players either. Some are top talent, but not the whole team.


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You just had to play the Schremp card didn't ya. :beerbang:


jk, I agree.

 

[Tater]

You're again making not fitting comparisons but also not terrible situations.

Schremp put up 2 seasons of .55ppg play which is a positive attribute. He just wasn't healthy. If Panarin can produce for a good portion of this season at a .55ppg level that'd be a great value. That's not something to scouff at adding or to think is better off shipping away. Of course if he's terrible defensively while putting that up it's something.

They got to see the black Aces practice and be coached up for a month. They don't need them at prospects camp but they'll be a different than the regular style role they'll have those more experienced guys in. McNeil/Johns/Dano/whoever else will likely be in the group C doing drills but not any of the scrimmaging

Good post CL.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I've seen his highlights... and I still do not care. Every highlight is scored cause the guy has a stick length of space to shoot and make plays. Good luck finding that same space in the NHL. If he plays a full season, I'd peg him at around 10 goals, if I have to be optimistic.

On a side note, BRING BACK BOCHENSKI!

He did have quite a bit of time on most of those roof shots didn't he? Like I said, I'm not sure about hockey yet. Saad and Sharp had a bit of time for him to pull that move, but can Panarin create space in this league? He certainly could there which shows something.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

You're again making not fitting comparisons but also not terrible situations.

Schremp put up 2 seasons of .55ppg play which is a positive attribute. He just wasn't healthy. If Panarin can produce for a good portion of this season at a .55ppg level that'd be a great value. That's not something to scouff at adding or to think is better off shipping away. Of course if he's terrible defensively while putting that up it's something.

They got to see the black Aces practice and be coached up for a month. They don't need them at prospects camp but they'll be a different than the regular style role they'll have those more experienced guys in. McNeil/Johns/Dano/whoever else will likely be in the group C doing drills but not any of the scrimmaging

No you're right, but my point was you can go watch highlights on any player and they'll look sublime which is why their called highlight videos. You have to take everything into perspective.

Panarin has been playing in the KHL, which is probably comparable talent wise to the AHL with some ex primo talent sprinkled in. KHL uses wider rinks, which means the skaters have more time and space on the ice to make plays and generate offense.

That doesn't have an immediate translation to NA ice rinks. It may take Panarin half the season just to get used to the speed and physicality of a smaller ice surface. It might not even translate for him period. That's my point, you have to take videos of players into context and then see if those skills will relate to NHL hockey. There's a chance they do, there's also a chance they don't.


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[HawkWriter]

A few thoughts on Panarin.

First off, watching highlights gets you pretty much no where. I have a pretty solid highlight video on youtube that my Junior team put together how many ever years ago. It means nothing as I'm sitting in a desk chair right now and I'm not on the ice. Every player in the AHL on up likely has some amazing moments where they look godly...because these guys have that much skill. Doesn't mean much though. John Scott probably has a pretty awesome highlight video where he shows how great of a powerforward he is by making nice passes, dishes out big hits, and even getting that timely goal.

Also, if anyone watched the World Championships this spring/summer, then you likely got a chance to watch Panarin over the course of a full game. He looked pretty good out there and showed flashes of his skill level. Believe he put up a point per game in the 10 or so games he played. The World Championships is pretty decent competition with plenty of NHL players. Doesn't mean he is going to be a stud come this year, but it is atleast a better comparable in my eyes.

It will be interesting to see what happens but I'd bet on the Russians being part of the roster come the first regular season game, unless things drastically change with the cap situation and the Blackhawks' future.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Maybe not all people can watch highlight videos. Genius can notice nuance and details others may be missing. Panarin can't fail. Its not the goals, its the way he scores. Its the skill level required. Its the big moments. Its the making the right play.

Now I realize Dano's NHL highlights are in tight space. But if highlights are worthless, why do I see the stark differences in Dano's game comparted to Panarin.

Panirin is much more Teuvo/Kane/ Dano is Shaw/Toews both have an accurate shot.

I mean....I don't think Bowman just throws 2,000,000 bonus's at trash. Panirin is the real deal, hence no summer league. Straight to the big squad, rockford protected.

You guys need to realize this guy is getting special treatment for a reason. He is gonna start alot of games, and score at least 30 points as someone said. (barring injury)

I don't think he needs to hit people any more than Kaner or Teuvo. Is it not obvious we are looking for these guys? Bowman is all over this. We found another.

 

[fatbeard]

No you're right, but my point was you can go watch highlights on any player and they'll look sublime which is why their called highlight videos. You have to take everything into perspective.

Panarin has been playing in the KHL, which is probably comparable talent wise to the AHL with some ex primo talent sprinkled in. KHL uses wider rinks, which means the skaters have more time and space on the ice to make plays and generate offense.

That doesn't have an immediate translation to NA ice rinks. It may take Panarin half the season just to get used to the speed and physicality of a smaller ice surface. It might not even translate for him period. That's my point, you have to take videos of players into context and then see if those skills will relate to NHL hockey. There's a chance they do, there's also a chance they don't.


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Still, Stan Bowman didn't sign Panarin to a contract with +3mil in incentives that may turn into cap overages next year after only watching Panarin's highlight video.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Still, Stan Bowman didn't sign Panarin to a contract with +3mil in incentives that may turn into cap overages next year after only watching Panarin's highlight video.

Yeah, which I never said he did. He's got scouts and I'm sure he's seen Panarin a few times live. The incentives were more than likely based on that we could give him top dollar to play here, and that he's going to have to earn his spot. Which is why it's incentives.


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[winos5]

Anybody going to Prospect Camp at Johnny's? If so don't forget to post some feedback for those of us who can't go.

 

[PatrickShart]

Still, Stan Bowman didn't sign Panarin to a contract with +3mil in incentives that may turn into cap overages next year after only watching Panarin's highlight video.

Yes. That would be like gushing over....I don't know.....Drew Leblanc videos....

 

[PatrickShart]

For what it's worth....Versteeg is a 45-50pt per year player...not a 30pt player. I think he avg 20g a year as well.

Those are at the NHL level over a 473gm span. Not in the KHL vs the likes of Nigel Dawes or Matt Ellison

 

[Ton]

For what it's worth....Versteeg is a 45-50pt per year player...not a 30pt player. I think he avg 20g a year as well.

Those are at the NHL level over a 473gm span. Not in the KHL vs the likes of Nigel Dawes or Matt Ellison

He's only hit 40+ points 3 times in his career (2 times were 50+)... the rest are around 30 or under. He also has hit 20+ only 3 times in 8 years.

To me, that's not average, that's his ceiling.

Regardless, he needs to stay healthy. I think he has grown as a useful player that you can plug anywhere in the lineup, but I'm not expecting 50 points out of him. In his entire career, he has never played a full season.

 

[PatrickShart]

He his 20g in 4 of his 8 seasons.

There were 2 of those 8 he missed pretty much the entire season where he only played 28gms in 2 years total

But...he's played 473gms
116 goals (.25gpg....avg 20g season)
275 pts (.58ppg....avg 48pts season)