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Ehh, I don't know about trading Castro with Russell and Baez unproven. While Castro has been in a major slump this year, he is also a three time all star at the age of 25 while a lot of players are only rookies when they are 25. I still think Russell and Baez will be good but one is batting .230 while the other was under .200 last year. At least let them prove themselves before trading Castro.

In the middle of the playoff race I think it's better to keep the starting players. I think trading Castro in the off season would be different.
 

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If it is Castro for Venable and Cashner. On the fence about it. Max is a FA and Cash has never put himself into the next tier of pitching.

Still the Cubs are deep in MI and I would not be sad.

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I think I'd rather pull the trigger late on Castro and risk getting less later on, than pulling it too early and miss out on a good young player only because he's having a bad year. This team is not winning anything this year...no need to rush things. That's the kind of thinking that forced the rebuild in the first place.
 

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I don't really think Cashner for Castro is something I'd like. If it was Tyson Ross maybe I'd be a bit more optimistic but Cashner's injury history is just too long for me to want to give up someone like Castro for him. Ross is also more of a ground ball pitcher which i think is favored in wrigley.
 

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Read that Preller's top priority is a SS now. Pards have gone through 17 SS sense they traded Grreen to the Cards in 08. Castro would be a prime target.

Cubs den thinks: Castro for Ross and Gyrko. He thinks that the Rays are in on Baez also and the Cubs may trade with them on top of it.

I do not like Gyrko. Not a fan.

I would like Shields. Have the Pads cover the difference between Castro and Shields. Castro is owed around 40 mil while Shields is owed 63 mil. About 20 mil. They could also set it up that the Pads pay off what is owed to Jackson to even it out. He was cut today and that 20 mil would cover that expanse while the Cubs take the whole deal on Shields.

There are a few directions that they could try to even out the amount owed.

Now even if they do go with Russell and Baez the system still has Happ and Torres up coming. Young A: 124 hits this year. Hitting .336 this year. 17 SB. Leads the system in hits. Torres #2 at 111 hits. Most think he will end up a 2B. SB .316 16 SB this year.

2B is really not a major concern looking ahead. That is even if Happ stays in CF.

SS Russell would be in there for his glove. His bat should come along.

Baez should be given the chance to prove himself again. That is my take. He bombs again then there is depth and if all else fails Ben Z will be a F/A in the off season and he would have a home next year.

Not too concerned if they did deal out Castro.

Too be honest I kinda hope the season tanks some. Take the pressure off and let the team get sorted for 16.
 

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I don't really think Cashner for Castro is something I'd like. If it was Tyson Ross maybe I'd be a bit more optimistic but Cashner's injury history is just too long for me to want to give up someone like Castro for him. Ross is also more of a ground ball pitcher which i think is favored in wrigley.

I doubt they let Ross go. Too much control left and he is pretty good. I know I wouldn't.
 

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Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN

The Cubs are not pursuing James Shields.
 

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I do not like Gyrko. Not a fan.

Gyorko would be more of a throw in though and would give you competition at 2B which isn't a terrible thing. If they were to deal both Baez and Castro as you/cubs den/whomever was suggesting you need that depth. Additionally, Gyorko can play 2B/3B and wouldn't be a bad utility player off the bench. Obviously at $4 mil, $6 mil, $9 mil, $13 mil, $13 mil/$1 mil buyout he's owed way more money than he's probably worth but that sort of gets offset by losing Castro's money and Ross being a cheaper starter.

It's not what I'd define as "ideal" but it's kind of interesting especially with Castro having a down year.
 

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Matt Spiegel ‏@MattSpiegel670 22m22 minutes ago

Was told James Shields is "very close" to a done deal to become a Cub. He does not have a no-trade clause.

Matt Spiegel ‏@MattSpiegel670

Just heard from a very good source: Cubs in heavy talks to acquire James Shields from the Padres, for 1 MLB ready player and 2 prospects.
 

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Matt Spiegel ‏@MattSpiegel670 22m22 minutes ago

Was told James Shields is "very close" to a done deal to become a Cub. He does not have a no-trade clause.

Matt Spiegel ‏@MattSpiegel670

Just heard from a very good source: Cubs in heavy talks to acquire James Shields from the Padres, for 1 MLB ready player and 2 prospects.

Gotta love trade season. Onley says cubs aren't even looking at Shields and someone else says it's close to a done deal.
 

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Matt Spiegel ‏@MattSpiegel670 22m22 minutes ago

Was told James Shields is "very close" to a done deal to become a Cub. He does not have a no-trade clause.

Matt Spiegel ‏@MattSpiegel670

Just heard from a very good source: Cubs in heavy talks to acquire James Shields from the Padres, for 1 MLB ready player and 2 prospects.

That would be a horrible trade and one theyll regret..

21 mil per for next 3 yrs for a guy at age 34, 35, and 36
 

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Matt Spiegel ‏@MattSpiegel670 22m22 minutes ago

Was told James Shields is "very close" to a done deal to become a Cub. He does not have a no-trade clause.

Matt Spiegel ‏@MattSpiegel670

Just heard from a very good source: Cubs in heavy talks to acquire James Shields from the Padres, for 1 MLB ready player and 2 prospects.

So Shields for... MLB ready: Castro?.... 2 prospects: Could be anything. Might even be Baez, and 2 arms for Shields...

Shields would make it a pretty strong rotation.

IP: Arrieta: 134.2, Shields 126, Lester: 124.2, Hammel: 112.1, Hendricks: 110.2 (not including today.)

If Hammel is taking a dip for the 2nd half adding Shields makes plenty of sense.
 

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Gotta love trade season. Onley says cubs aren't even looking at Shields and someone else says it's close to a done deal.

Cubs, Padres Talked Castro; Cubs Not In On Shields
By Jeff Todd [July 27, 2015 at 8:02pm CDT]
8:02pm: Whatever other talks the teams may have had, Chicago is not making a run at Shields, Buster Olney of ESPN.com tweets.

7:35pm: The Cubs have had discussions with the Padres regarding shortstop Starlin Castro, Jon Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports report on Twitter. San Diego does not look like a traditional buyer, but as noted in MLBTR’s overview of the shortstop trade market, the team makes sense as a future-oriented acquirer at the position.

Castro is still just 25, though he’s playing in his sixth big league season. He is owed $37MM over the next four seasons and can be controlled with a $16MM option in 2020 ($1MM buyout).

That contract once looked like an asset, but after a second rough campaign in three years, it looks more like a reasonable risk. Castro owns a .233/.268/.302 slash over 399 plate appearances, which falls well below his roughly league-average career output. He’s generally regarded as a mediocre defender at short, and metrics suggest he’s slightly to firmly below average in that department.

It’s not clear what kind of deal would be considered, but San Diego has a number of players who could hold appeal to the Cubs. Morosi suggests the possibility of a swap of James Shields, which holds at least some plausibility (as a starting point, at least) since both are owed significant future money and could arguably be better fits for the current needs of the other club. But he gave no indication that there is anything to that idea other than his own analysis.

Looking at the San Diego roster for other pieces that could be intriguing to the Cubs — whether or not as part of any deal involving Castro — the rotation certainly seems the place to focus. We’ve heard plenty in the past about the need for a rotation addition in Chicago, and both Tyson Ross and Andrew Cashner are younger, controllable pieces that have been mentioned as possible trade pieces. On the rental side, Ian Kennedy should hold some appeal and could also be a theoretical fit for Chicago. Outfielder Will Venable and reliever Joaquin Benoit are two more pending free agents that could make sense.

Should the Cubs make a major move, president of baseball operations Theo Epstein has explained that it would likely be for a controllable piece. (Via ESPNChicago.com’s Jesse Rogers; links to Twitter.) While the team is entertaining rental options, it seems unlikely to pay a steep price to add a premium player that will hit the open market after the season.

“If we do something on the bigger end, it will involve players that will help us beyond this year,” said Epstein. “If we do something on the smaller side, it will probably be more for a rental. And if we do nothing, it will be because we couldn’t find anything rational that we could actually do.”

As for as larger possible moves go, we’ve heard the Cubs linked to Cole Hamels of the Phillies at various times. Per Morosi, via Twitter, the team is only on the “periphery” of the Hamels market at present.
 

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Gotta love trade season. Onley says cubs aren't even looking at Shields and someone else says it's close to a done deal.
I love it, because I've always thought Olney was full of crap with the Mets/Castro rumors.
 

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Anyone like the idea of adding Carlos Gomez? Would solve out CF problem.

Would it? I mean he's hitting .266/.334/.431. Fowler is hitting .235/.324/.370 and that's with everyone thinking he's one of the worst players ever. I wont argue it's an upgrade but it's not much of one unless you're telling me he's the 2013/14 Gomez which he's definitely not been.
 

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@CSNMooney: #Cubs are not working with SD on a James Shields deal now. Tyson Ross would be the ideal fit. At right price, Ian Kennedy is a good rental.

@Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Cubs’ focus in talks with #Padres is on Tyson Ross. Of course, Ross is a focus of nearly every team talking to SD.
 

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857pm: In their conversations with the Padres, the Cubs have been focused on Ross, per a Rosenthal tweet. As he notes, that isn’t exactly surprising. The 28-year-old has been rather excellent dating back to 2013, and comes with two more seasons of control. There’s a good argument to be made that his contract is the organization’s single most valuable asset.
 

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