2016 position players

[Parade_Rain]

Kazmir is a better pitcher than Hammel and he allows you to trade for a younger righty like Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco, the latter of whom is on a nice cost controlled deal and could be that guy who has the ability to be better than he is. I think they'll take a stab at Price but the won't be the high bidder. I can't see them going $220-$230 million for him. I think then they go for the next lefty up which is Kazmir. Then trade for that righty, the Carrasco or Ross deal. A rotation of Arrieta, Lester, Kazmir, Carrasco or Ross and Hendricks or Hammel would be a marked improvement over what they have now. You could go into a playoff series with those first 4 without biting your knuckles.

What' the deal with Teheran? Was that one a Soler trade or bust kind of thing? I honestly don't know enough about him.

 

[Boobaby1]

Stuff like that is rare. Arrieta all ready had great stuff. He had to harness his talent. But even Maddon said his was some of the best stuff in the Div back then. Now it is coming together.

That is the thing. The pitcher has to already have to tools. Bosio can't just make a pitcher have tools. On the buy low: Latos fits the bill. If Bucholtz is not picked up you have to go there. Gallardo would be another to look at. He might be a prime target.

This year is really not short on talent. We are talking about Price and Cueto as legit aces. Zimmerman and Gallardo as 2nd tier. Shark and Latos as projects. (doubt they rehash Shark though)

Then Leake, Kazmir, Linecum, Fister, Kendrick.

I see it as Cueto and Price costing too much. Greinke hits the market and he defaults to the #1 target. Rest fall in line.

With Arrieta's emergence as a league ace then the need becomes #3 vs #1 pitcher. Basally a upgrade to Hammel. Zimmerman, Leake or Gallardo falls into that target zone. Kaz would fall into equal to Hammel and I do not believe they are shooting that low.

IDK almost tempted to say Gallardo as he has plenty of exposure to pitching at Wriggly. Running a 3.18 ERA in hitter friendly Rangers in a tougher league. I wouldn't be against it. Rather them trade soler for a cheaper and pretty much equal level talent in Carrasco.

Zimmerman: 100-150 mil
Gallardo+ 85 mil (ish)
Shark same. Number blew up but IP near league tops. Should keep his value good.
Leake can see Garza cash. He is a MR starter.

Carraso 16:$4.5M, 17:$6.5M, 18:$8M, 19:$9M club option ($0.6625M buyout), 20:$9.5M club option ($0.6625M buyout) Total bargain.

I think we are going to be surprised at the guy(s) that they pick up.

And also, where do Pierce Johnson and Carlos Pimentel fit into the equation?

If nothing else, surely they are trade pieces aren't they?

 

[TC in Mississippi]

What' the deal with Teheran? Was that one a Soler trade or bust kind of thing? I honestly don't know enough about him.

Most people I heard discuss it said that the Braves were really just checking on his value. I don't know if they liked the answers or not. He could be someone else the Cubs target but he had a rough year.

 

[CSF77]

I think we are going to be surprised at the guy(s) that they pick up.

And also, where do Pierce Johnson and Carlos Pimentel fit into the equation?

If nothing else, surely they are trade pieces aren't they?

Johnson has to show that he can pitch a full season. Carlos is not a top prospect. Teams a choked full of that type.

Ideal situation: They trade Hendricks, Soler and Castro. Extend Jackson for CF and bring back Carraso in the deal. Bring back a LH pitcher as a guy to split up the back end. When Hammel becomes a F/A it opens the door for either Edwards or Johnson to take over as the #5.

I believe Hendricks has trade value also and can help with bringing back a quality return. By no means is he untouchable.

 

[Boobaby1]

Johnson has to show that he can pitch a full season. Carlos is not a top prospect. Teams a choked full of that type.

Ideal situation: They trade Hendricks, Soler and Castro. Extend Jackson for CF and bring back Carraso in the deal. Bring back a LH pitcher as a guy to split up the back end. When Hammel becomes a F/A it opens the door for either Edwards or Johnson to take over as the #5.

I believe Hendricks has trade value also and can help with bringing back a quality return. By no means is he untouchable.

Isn't Hendricks the ideal candidate for starting rotation depth? You can't get much cheaper than that, and he does have fairly good control.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I have mixed feelings on Hendricks. In some ways he's a perfect BOR guy, he knows how to pitch and his control is usually solid. The issue is that by the third time through the lineup he's almost always hittable. I also don't know how much room he has to improve. Can he be a guy in the middle of your rotation ultimately or does he just not have the stuff for that? I'd trade him if it made sense. I'd trade Hammel if it made sense although he would be a one year rental. I'd like to see one of those guys in the 5 spot next year because if there's an injury they could handle 4 for a while with Edwards or Johnson could get some experience at the end of the rotation. After this year I don't want to have to worry about Hendricks or Hammel pitching a playoff game.

 

[CSF77]

I would trade him if it brought back the right player. There are only 2 LHSP on the market next year. RH is pretty deep. Cubs really need a LHSP more than running 4 RHSP like they are now. The easiest to lose is Hendricks.

My opinion is to try to trade for one.

Not to mention Hendricks' talent cap is back of the rotation. They have better options close and the market always has that talent level easily signable.

If he was developed on another team he would be passed over by us. He holds more value due to the lack of pitching talent in the system.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I would trade him if it brought back the right player. There are only 2 LHSP on the market next year. RH is pretty deep. Cubs really need a LHSP more than running 4 RHSP like they are now. The easiest to lose is Hendricks.

My opinion is to try to trade for one.

Not to mention Hendricks' talent cap is back of the rotation. They have better options close and the market always has that talent level easily signable.

If he was developed on another team he would be passed over by us. He holds more value due to the lack of pitching talent in the system.

Agreed. Some see Hendricks as ultimately being a solid #3. I don't see it. I'm also with you on the LHP. If they can't get Price, and I'm just sure they're going to want to go to the crazy money I think it will take, then I'd like them to get Kazmir. There are whole lot of young RHP that could possibly be had in trade form Carrasco to Ross to the glut of pitchers in the Tampa Bay system. Ultimately I really think that's what will happen too.

 

[Diehardfan]

I have mixed feelings on Hendricks. In some ways he's a perfect BOR guy, he knows how to pitch and his control is usually solid. The issue is that by the third time through the lineup he's almost always hittable. I also don't know how much room he has to improve. Can he be a guy in the middle of your rotation ultimately or does he just not have the stuff for that? I'd trade him if it made sense. I'd trade Hammel if it made sense although he would be a one year rental. I'd like to see one of those guys in the 5 spot next year because if there's an injury they could handle 4 for a while with Edwards or Johnson could get some experience at the end of the rotation. After this year I don't want to have to worry about Hendricks or Hammel pitching a playoff game.

Alright, so maybe he gives you 5 or 6 innings per start....can you really expect much more from a #5? Plus he's only 25 so it's reasonable to assume he'll improve his game over time. I think he's a keeper....besides, there are bigger fish to fry. Another TOR and a bullpen lefty who can get someone out in the later part of games are bigger needs.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Alright, so maybe he gives you 5 or 6 innings per start....can you really expect much more from a #5? Plus he's only 25 so it's reasonable to assume he'll improve his game over time. I think he's a keeper....besides, there are bigger fish to fry. Another TOR and a bullpen lefty who can get someone out in the later part of games are bigger needs.

I don't disagree. I'd like to see two starting pitchers added, one through FA and one through trade. One has to be a LHP and teams don't trade lefties often. so that means they sign Price or Kazmir. I sincerely doubt they go and set the monetary record for a pitcher, which Price is going make a team do, so Kazmir becomes your guy. There are a lot of younger RHPs that could be had in the right deal. Maybe you include Hendricks in that deal, I don't know. If Hendricks and Hammel are on teh team I hope they are battling for the 5th spot. Then you could have Jacob Turner, Pierce Johnson et al battling for depth. That would be a pitching staff I'd feel comfortable with.

 

[Diehardfan]

I don't disagree. I'd like to see two starting pitchers added, one through FA and one through trade. One has to be a LHP and teams don't trade lefties often. so that means they sign Price or Kazmir. I sincerely doubt they go and set the monetary record for a pitcher, which Price is going make a team do, so Kazmir becomes your guy. There are a lot of younger RHPs that could be had in the right deal. Maybe you include Hendricks in that deal, I don't know. If Hendricks and Hammel are on teh team I hope they are battling for the 5th spot. Then you could have Jacob Turner, Pierce Johnson et al battling for depth. That would be a pitching staff I'd feel comfortable with.

I'm not much on looking into the crystal ball but if I had to take a guess....they won't go after Price or Kazmir. They made their big splash with Lester and will be aiming slightly lower this time around. I'll predict that Jordan Zimmerman is on their radar screen....he won't turn 30 till sometime next season and would fit very nicely in that #3 spot bumping Hammel and Hendricks down a notch where they are a better fit. I agree, it's always nice to have a couple of leftys in the rotation but it's not a necessity...they'll be fine with just Lester. I don't think the fact that the Cardinals have been hit hard by injuries and have still survived was missed by Theo and Jed and that will make them more than a little hesitant to move any of their interchangeable group of position players...of course, something that blows them away could change that but my guess is that is what it would take. For the pen....Jeremy Affeldt would be affordable investment for a spot lefty and I'd also look at Tyler Clippard.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Kazmir is a better pitcher than Hammel and he allows you to trade for a younger righty like Tyson Ross or Carlos Carrasco, the latter of whom is on a nice cost controlled deal and could be that guy who has the ability to be better than he is. I think they'll take a stab at Price but the won't be the high bidder. I can't see them going $220-$230 million for him. I think then they go for the next lefty up which is Kazmir. Then trade for that righty, the Carrasco or Ross deal. A rotation of Arrieta, Lester, Kazmir, Carrasco or Ross and Hendricks or Hammel would be a marked improvement over what they have now. You could go into a playoff series with those first 4 without biting your knuckles.

Tyson Ross yes to that

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I'm not much on looking into the crystal ball but if I had to take a guess....they won't go after Price or Kazmir. They made their big splash with Lester and will be aiming slightly lower this time around. I'll predict that Jordan Zimmerman is on their radar screen....he won't turn 30 till sometime next season and would fit very nicely in that #3 spot bumping Hammel and Hendricks down a notch where they are a better fit. I agree, it's always nice to have a couple of leftys in the rotation but it's not a necessity...they'll be fine with just Lester. I don't think the fact that the Cardinals have been hit hard by injuries and have still survived was missed by Theo and Jed and that will make them more than a little hesitant to move any of their interchangeable group of position players...of course, something that blows them away could change that but my guess is that is what it would take. For the pen....Jeremy Affeldt would be affordable investment for a spot lefty and I'd also look at Tyler Clippard.

Zimmermann is fine, although I would like a lefty, but he's going to cost a lot more than Kazmir. Best guess is that Zimmermann gets 7/$135-145 and Kazmir get 6/$110-120.

 

[Parade_Rain]

BTW, Pitchers aren't usually considered "Position Players". This thread has been seriously hijacked.

 

[Diehardfan]

btw, pitchers aren't usually considered "position players". This thread has been seriously hijacked.

lol

 

[Diehardfan]

Zimmermann is fine, although I would like a lefty, but he's going to cost a lot more than Kazmir. Best guess is that Zimmermann gets 7/$135-145 and Kazmir get 6/$110-120.

That's Rickett's problem, TC....LOL. It's monopoly money to us.

 

[chibears55]

BTW, Pitchers aren't usually considered "Position Players". This thread has been seriously hijacked.

Blame the guy who asked about Teheran...[emoji51]



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[Parade_Rain]

Blame the guy who asked about Teheran...[emoji51]



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[TC in Mississippi]

BTW, Pitchers aren't usually considered "Position Players". This thread has been seriously hijacked.

You are correct. Mea culpa.

 

[Parade_Rain]

You are correct. Mea culpa.

You saw my post was in green text, TC?