2024 NFL Draft discussion

[ndgt10]

If the Raiders & Broncos want the same guy, it makes sense for whichever team to do what they can to make sure they get him.

Understood. But why not trade with the Jets instead?

 

[napo55]

Understood. But why not trade with the Jets instead?

Beaause the other team could jump ahead of the Jet's pick by trading for the Bears pick.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1776083208393629755

 

[Luke]

Going back to the Hoge and Jahns podcast, the philosophical discussion of #9 started around the 25ish min mark.

One of the interesting comments Nate Tice had in that Hoge and Jahns podcast was that he did not think that Turner was a good fit for Eberflus's defense - the Jahns question on Turner or Verse started at 28:30ish. And Tice has Verse more as a late teens value.

He also talked about how Odunze is just a better fit with Moore and Allen and how they would be able to be on the field together. He started talking about Odunze more at 30:30 mark in that vid.

If Odunze falls because 4 QB's are drafted, there is no way that Poles can pass on him imo.
If the 3 WR's are all gone along with Alt, then Turner will be there and most likely will be the choice. He will begin as a pass rush specialist.
Verse is a reach as a top 10 pick. IMO, he simply doesn't have the pass rushing upside to be selected there.

 

[playthrough2001]

If Odunze falls because 4 QB's are drafted, there is no way that Poles can pass on him imo.
If the 3 WR's are all gone along with Alt, then Turner will be there and most likely will be the choice. He will begin as a pass rush specialist.
Verse is a reach as a top 10 pick. IMO, he simply doesn't have the pass rushing upside to be selected there.

I think you’re pretty much right on. I believe the Bears are looking at one of Odunze, Nabers, or Turner to be available at 9. If only three QBs go, they probably have Bowers as next up if they stick at 9.

1-4. QBs
5. MHJ
6. Odunze
7. Alt
8. Turner
9. Nabers

I’m starting to believe it’s going to fall this way and Minnesota will be the team to jump into the top 4 or 5.

I get the feeling the Giants prefer Odunze to Nabers.

It’s going to be pretty interesting.

 

[DaaBears]

If Odunze falls because 4 QB's are drafted, there is no way that Poles can pass on him imo.
If the 3 WR's are all gone along with Alt, then Turner will be there and most likely will be the choice. He will begin as a pass rush specialist.
Verse is a reach as a top 10 pick. IMO, he simply doesn't have the pass rushing upside to be selected there.

It's all a matter of opinion. You can say "there is no way Poles can pass on Odunze". I think that I can make a stronger case that all of this need for QBs is causing no defensive players to be taken. I have a really hard time believing that there are 9 offensive players in this draft that will have better careers than any defensive player.

How about this? The Bears walk away with the best offensive and best defensive player in the entire draft. A real possibility.

 

[RiDLer80]

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If they don't trade down or up.. I wouldn't mind this draft

#1 Caleb Williams, QB, USC
#9 Dallas Turner, Edge, Alabama
#75 Maason Smith, DL, LSU
#122 Zak Zinter, IOL, Michigan

Yes.. it leaves out WR 3 but it addresses core issues on both the lines and sets up the team for success..

like this a lot. Zinter is my guy I would love for us to grab. He's a second rounder before his injury. I don't think his injury would be a factor long-term.

Smith has a lot of potential, but has dealt with injuries as well. But he's a very talented prospect.

Hopefully Turner makes it to 9, but I'm skeptical.

 

[RiDLer80]

Assuming this team could be a contender bu next season, do think it’s more beneficial in the long run to get a WR here sooner for a rookie QB’s development or get a DE in here sooner?

I think DE because the adjustment time for DL takes longer. I think a rookie WR could come in in 2025 and make an impact right away.

 

[Luke]

I think you’re pretty much right on. I believe the Bears are looking at one of Odunze, Nabers, or Turner to be available at 9. If only three QBs go, they probably have Bowers as next up if they stick at 9.

1-4. QBs
5. MHJ
6. Odunze
7. Alt
8. Turner
9. Nabers

I’m starting to believe it’s going to fall this way and Minnesota will be the team to jump into the top 4 or 5.

I get the feeling the Giants prefer Odunze to Nabers.

It’s going to be pretty interesting.

With all the talk, it seems unlikely that only 3 QB's go before 9.
But, if only 3 QB's go, then it becomes very interesting.
Poles would be in the prime trade down position if he chooses as several teams should be jockeying to move up.

 

[remydat]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1775991779822653536

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1776222921192567099

 

[Luke]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1775991779822653536

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1776222921192567099

61-1 TD to INT ratio in the Red Zone is nuts

 

[CTA_employee9]

Another possibility is that we trade back from #1 with ourselves at #9 and still be able to take Caleb and still be able to draft a top player at #9.

 

[Milky]

With all the talk, it seems unlikely that only 3 QB's go before 9.
But, if only 3 QB's go, then it becomes very interesting.
Poles would be in the prime trade down position if he chooses as several teams should be jockeying to move up.

Hoge made a good point on CHGO the other day. He doesn’t think 4 QB’s go top 8 because it has never happened before (too lazy to fact check that) and he thinks the media is overhyping the QB’s in general outside of CW.

He could very well be wrong and that show was about trading down but his point on 4 QB’s going before 9 was mutually exclusive from the topic. But that lead to the possibility that all 3 WRs, Alt and Turner were gone and teams might be calling to get up for the next QB.

 

[Canth]

It’s absolutely not legit. It’s lazy journalism and it’s ridiculous.

This front office and this coaching staff has not been in Chicago for years. What happened in 1970 or 1995 has absolutely nothing to do with the people who are there now. It’s absolutely idiotic to think that because two people wore the same uniform and stunk, everyone else who wears that same uniform will stink.

That’s ridiculous to say the least.

I get where you are coming from and I hope that to be the case. I hope articles that say that piss of the current Front Office, Coaches, and Players to prove everyone wrong and that they have indeed broken the cycle.

However, I think we all know that ownership hasn't changed, and the QB issues have existed in the Bears organization spanning multiple Front Office groups and multiple coaching staffs. So, I can understand the skepticism that until proven otherwise, the Bears as an organization are a major question mark for any young QB and how they will develop them.

 

[Luke]

It's all a matter of opinion. You can say "there is no way Poles can pass on Odunze". I think that I can make a stronger case that all of this need for QBs is causing no defensive players to be taken. I have a really hard time believing that there are 9 offensive players in this draft that will have better careers than any defensive player.

How about this? The Bears walk away with the best offensive and best defensive player in the entire draft. A real possibility.

I mentioned that they could select Turner if all the other higher graded players were selected beforehand and that's cool.
I'm all about getting the best player, not reaching for a need.

 

[Bearly]

Mike Florio is such a cunt. He’s a Viking fan and he’s been passive, aggressive about the Bears being in position to draft Williams for weeks.

This is from PFT today regarding Williams visit to Halas Hall:

“Via Ian Rapoport of NFL Media, Williams made his official visit to the Bears on Wednesday. Rapoport says that it will “likely” be Williams’s only visit.

This implies that Williams apparently won’t be trying to avoid the Bears and play elsewhere. Despite the fact that the Bears have a defensive head coach and an offensive coordinator who would parlay Williams’s success into a head-coaching job. Forcing Williams to get accustomed to a new offensive coordinator. And, possibly, so on and so on and so on as Williams thrives and offensive coordinators say, “See ya!”

Williams is in a tough spot. Even if he’d rather play for another team, how can he pull it off without becoming a pariah? Media and fans would clobber him if he dared to say he’d rather play for another team. If he plays for the Bears, he’ll need to hope it works out better for him than it did for their first-round pick from 2021, who was traded to the Steelers last month for a future sixth-round pick.”

Caleb Williams visits Bears, in what is "likely" his only team visit

With 22 days to go until the draft, it's looking more likely that the Bears will be taking quarterback Caleb Williams — and that he'll willingly play for them.

www.nbcsports.com

It's just so dumb. What OC wouldn't be elevated by great play?

 

[Bearly]

If Bowers is getting enough interest to warrant an official visit, it's hard to see how he won't be considered their BPA at 9 if he's there.

When you bring in 30, it covers more than the 1st round as there are positions you won't draft. Do diligence means you bring in guys you may also consider in (small) trade down etc. Teams will also sometimes not bring in their main target to not tip their hand. Mitch, JJ, Kmet didn't visit. I don't think Poles drafted anyone of his visits in 2022 but did draft Dexter, Scott and Wight last year.

 

[Bearly]

I mentioned that they could select Turner if all the other higher graded players were selected beforehand and that's cool.
I'm all about getting the best player, not reaching for a need.

Works for me but I could also see a trade down if they feel comparable players will be there. Will depend on their board and how the draft falls. It will come down to things like whether you think there is a clear difference of projection between players like Odunze and Thomas or Turner and Verse etc and we know all these boards will differ.

There will be an OC drooling about what they can do with Bowers creating mismatches, especially in a hurry up O.

 

[Bearly]

I agree and that's why I said they have a different impact.

Personally, I think the best TEs are most successful because they create mismatches by being good in the run game and pass game. The Kelce's, Kittle's, and Gronk's are great around the LOS as well which makes it hard for a defense to defend. They aren't one-dimensional or predictable. It's why it sucks that DET has a guy like Sam LaPorta, who fits that mold.

With Bowers, the concern will be if he is one dimensional or not. Who is to say that a CB won't be able to shut him down because he's only a threat as a pseudo WR.

Also played in the backfield.

 

[Bearly]

I would put money on the fact Bowers probably plays enough in the slot and out wide that he challenges being labeled a TE for franchise tag purposes and wins.

I keep thinking about having someone like that in a no sub hurry up and what that does to a D.