2nd Allstar Returns Out. Derrick Rose Trailing as #3 Guard

[pinkizdead]

What is your definition of a scrub? A player you don't like? You didn't watch Rondo put his foot in Rose's ass in the playoffs in 2007? Give me a break!

he was a rookie. rose as a rookie would have raped rondo with a basketball during rondo's rookie season. i agree that rondo isn't a bad player, but why would you bring up 2007 to compare the two players? it seems a little unfair to rose.

 

[Glide2keva]

Plus it was 2009, not 2007.

Compare them now.

 

[houheffna]

he was a rookie. rose as a rookie would have raped rondo with a basketball during rondo's rookie season. i agree that rondo isn't a bad player, but why would you bring up 2007 to compare the two players? it seems a little unfair to rose.

Rondo was in his second year...how was that unfair? What is unfair is to act like Rondo is a scrub...that is unfair...

And saying Rondo "isn't a bad player" is pretty damn unfair to Rondo too don't you think?

 

[houheffna]

Plus it was 2009, not 2007.

Compare them now.

Great, change the subject...who said Rose wasn't better than him right now? Who???

 

[houheffna]

Dude, I did watch the series.

You mean to tell me he didn't trip people going to the lane? Didn't smack Brad Miller across the face and drew blood and he lost teeth, and he didn't throw Kirk into the scorers table?

Now take all those things that Rondo does for the Celtics, and put him on the Wizards or the Nets, do they make the playoffs? Not even slightly.

Has Boston missed Rondo in his absence? Not at all, they just keep winning. He's not the reason why they win, he's just a cog in the wheel, an unimportant one at that. KG's loss is bigger than Rondo's,

Now take Rose off this Bulls team, see how far they get.

Rose was beasting on him too in that series, so don't act like he was handing Rose his ass, because he wasn't. Besides, the stars in that series was Joakim Noah for having his coming out party, Ben Gordon for knocking down big shot after big shot, and Ray Allen for doing much of the same.

Rose was a rookie in his first playoffs ever and made a great showing of himself.

Nope, you didn't watch the series...Noah was the star of the series? OK!!!

You can't watch Sportscenter highlights and then try to analyze the series as if you watched meticulously. Doesn't work that way...

As far as you saying Rondo is unimportant to Boston's success...that is just basketball Special person. He is the main cog of that offense...everything runs through him...he is not B.J. Armstrong. Good grief...

 

[Venom]

both will make it regardless and I think it is RIDICULOUS to try and talk bad about Rondo as if he is not a good player, of course I like Rose better because I am a Bulls fan but Rondo is a good young PG as well and the Assist number he was putting up before he got injured was extremely impressive...Regardless of who he is playing with

Yeah, Rondo's good. Lets trade him to the Nets and lets see him lead them to the Finals because obviously he is THAT great.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Yeah, Rondo's good. Lets trade him to the Nets and lets see him lead them to the Finals because obviously he is THAT great.

Who said he was great? Give Rondo some props.

I know every Bulls player is amazing! :facepalm:

 

[Venom]

Who said he was great? Give Rondo some props.

I know every Bulls player is amazing! :facepalm:

Well according to most NBA fans..

 

[X]

All I know is Rondo's a punk who takes after KG too much in terms of trash talking...and the Celtics had a pretty solid record w/ Nate Robertson as the starting PG in Rondo's absence until KG went down.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Well according to most NBA fans..

Rondo has won something, Rose hasn't.

 

[X]

Rondo has won something, Rose hasn't.

Rondo's surrounded by 3 relevant HOFers...Rose has never had one playing along-side him.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Rondo had a great series vs. CHI in '09, but he didn't "handle" Rose.

He is a top 4-7 PG in the NBA, but is he the most valuable player on his own team? Nope. Would the Celtics (healthy) still be title contenders without him altogether? Yes.

Is Rose's FG% > Rondo's FT%? Also- yes.

The bottom line is that Rondo, as good as he is, doesn't deserve to be in front of Rose.

 

[houheffna]

Rondo had a great series vs. CHI in '09, but he didn't "handle" Rose.

He is a top 4-7 PG in the NBA, but is he the most valuable player on his own team? Nope. Would the Celtics (healthy) still be title contenders without him altogether? Yes.

Is Rose's FG% > Rondo's FT%? Also- yes.

The bottom line is that Rondo, as good as he is, doesn't deserve to be in front of Rose.

If you think the Celtics can win a championship without Rondo, you are not paying attention. The Celtics blame that loss in game 7 of the finals to not having Perkins...how valuable do you think Rondo is? All I ask is that some of you put the damn pompoms down and enjoy the damn league, or at least know what you are talking about when evaluating other players. If you don't know what you are talking about...why pretend as if you do? Some of you see what Rose does for Chicago, and have no damn clue whatsoever what other players are doing for there teams. That strikes me as a bit over the top, especially when you comment/criticize others like myself who enjoy the league and are not just watching the Bulls.

I hated Rodman...he was never a scrub. I hated John Starks, Starks was not a scrub. I don't care much for Garnett...he is a hall of fame player. I hated Kobe...great player. Why do I say those things? I watched them play...period. I don't wave pompoms while watching the games, I enjoy the players...especially Rose at this point, but I am careful not to get so indulged with the Bulls that I sound stupid when talking about the rest of the league. I happen to not just be a Bulls fan, but an NBA fan. So when I vote in the allstar game, I vote for the players that deserve to go, whether they are on the Bulls team or not.

When I say Dirk is my top MVP candidate...its because I watched him play and I see how important he is to that team...doesn't matter whether I like him or not. Truth be told, I don't like Rondo very much...doesn't make him a scrub, it makes him...unlikeable...to me.

 

[Venom]

Rondo has won something, Rose hasn't.

Give Rose a great shooter, a great slasher, and a great Power forward. Who wouldn't win a ring with greats surrounding you? He should be winning every year

 

[Glide2keva]

Nope, you didn't watch the series...Noah was the star of the series? OK!!!

You can't watch Sportscenter highlights and then try to analyze the series as if you watched meticulously. Doesn't work that way...

As far as you saying Rondo is unimportant to Boston's success...that is just basketball Special person. He is the main cog of that offense...everything runs through him...he is not B.J. Armstrong. Good grief...

Don't tell me I didn't watch the series. I watched the ENTIRE thing live, not on highlights.

Every real Bulls fan did.

 

[Glide2keva]

Yet, you defend him like he's your cousin.

I see you didn't address the things I said about Rondo, tripping people in the lane, throwing hinrich into the scorers table, and slapping brad miller across the face drawing blood.

Rondo is not a scrub because I don't like him, he's a scrub because he is overrated. He can't shoot, can't shoot FT's, his defense is overrated, the dude lets people blow past him to try to slap the ball from behind, he passes up shots at the rim to stat whore for assists, he throws risky passes to a HOF shooter in Ray Allen and his team is shooting over 50%. So yeah his numbers look good, but come on, put him on a team without four HOF players and let's see how many assists he gets.

Rose is the better player, better teammate (Chicago never said Rose was uncoachable, but we've heard this from Doc Rivers himself, the year after they won, they tried to trade him in that same offseason, and it was echoed by Coach K this past summer), better shooter, better everything. Rondo was healthy against LA last year and they lost and he was their supposed "best player".

I can't take you serious as a Bulls fan. I love the NBA too, but I love the Bulls more and nothing supersedes that. I'm a passionate fan, not a national fan.

 

[Glide2keva]

Are these actual Bulls fans?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

If you think the Celtics can win a championship without Rondo, you are not paying attention. The Celtics blame that loss in game 7 of the finals to not having Perkins...how valuable do you think Rondo is? All I ask is that some of you put the damn pompoms down and enjoy the damn league, or at least know what you are talking about when evaluating other players. If you don't know what you are talking about...why pretend as if you do? Some of you see what Rose does for Chicago, and have no damn clue whatsoever what other players are doing for there teams. That strikes me as a bit over the top, especially when you comment/criticize others like myself who enjoy the league and are not just watching the Bulls.

I hated Rodman...he was never a scrub. I hated John Starks, Starks was not a scrub. I don't care much for Garnett...he is a hall of fame player. I hated Kobe...great player. Why do I say those things? I watched them play...period. I don't wave pompoms while watching the games, I enjoy the players...especially Rose at this point, but I am careful not to get so indulged with the Bulls that I sound stupid when talking about the rest of the league. I happen to not just be a Bulls fan, but an NBA fan. So when I vote in the allstar game, I vote for the players that deserve to go, whether they are on the Bulls team or not.

When I say Dirk is my top MVP candidate...its because I watched him play and I see how important he is to that team...doesn't matter whether I like him or not. Truth be told, I don't like Rondo very much...doesn't make him a scrub, it makes him...unlikeable...to me.

Most of that stuff you said up there in completely irrelevant to the coversation.

Emotion has little-to-nothing to do with what I think.

It has nothing to do with why I think Rondo is a top 7 oh higher PG. It has nothing to do with why I believe Rose is the 3rd best PG.

Rondo is a great player, and does a number of things better than Rose. He has better court vision and makes much better interior passes. He seems to be able to pass on-the-go through the lane better. And he makes less mistakes on defense and has a knack for rebounds/loose balls.

Quite frankly, I don't even know why I am making a case for Rose > Rondo to you because you already said you agree earlier.

But one more thing... are you telling me that a team like this (healthy):

-Perkins, O'Neal, O'Neal
-Garnett, Davis
-Pierce, Daniels
-Allen, Von Wafer
-West, Robinson

...cannot win a championship?

 

[houheffna]

Yet, you defend him like he's your cousin.

I see you didn't address the things I said about Rondo, tripping people in the lane, throwing hinrich into the scorers table, and slapping brad miller across the face drawing blood.

Rondo is not a scrub because I don't like him, he's a scrub because he is overrated. He can't shoot, can't shoot FT's, his defense is overrated, the dude lets people blow past him to try to slap the ball from behind, he passes up shots at the rim to stat whore for assists, he throws risky passes to a HOF shooter in Ray Allen and his team is shooting over 50%. So yeah his numbers look good, but come on, put him on a team without four HOF players and let's see how many assists he gets.

Rose is the better player, better teammate (Chicago never said Rose was uncoachable, but we've heard this from Doc Rivers himself, the year after they won, they tried to trade him in that same offseason, and it was echoed by Coach K this past summer), better shooter, better everything. Rondo was healthy against LA last year and they lost and he was their supposed "best player".

I can't take you serious as a Bulls fan. I love the NBA too, but I love the Bulls more and nothing supersedes that. I'm a passionate fan, not a national fan.

I am one of those Bulls fans that don't kiss ass. I am a Bulls fan who don't overvalue home talent when measured against talent across the league. I am a Bulls fan that doesn't deem the team a championship contender after every 5 game winning streak. I have been around quite a while my friend. Which is why I don't buy the b.s. you are selling. How can anyone take seriously that you can see, let alone observe and analyze what is going on in the league when you call Rondo a scrub?

So since you are so "passionate", why pass yourself off as someone who has knowledge concerning a subject you obviously have no knowledge of? If you think Rondo is a scrub, you have no clue as to what you are talking about.

That is the argument here, not how good Rose is, its your interpretation of Rondo's game, and how "unimportant" he is. Which means you don't know basketball, period. Why did I bring up Starks, Rodman, Garnett and even Kobe? Those were all players who were considered dirty players at one point or another in their careers. None of them were scrubs. And don't feed me this character b.s. anymore. Its stupid. You can only speak of what you know, and if the worst thing Rondo did is reach out and foul Miller in the mouth...so what? The league didn't even find it suspension-worthy, and neither did a lot of Chicago media and fans.

Again, nobody said Rondo was better than Rose...so why continue with that crappy argument? Wait, let me answer, because calling Rondo a scrub is basketball Special person...that's why. So you change the direction of the argument because what you say is wrong, plain and simple. You remember what Coach Rivers said a few years ago, but you don't remember when he plainly said that the Celtics was Rondo's team? That Rondo was critical to the team's success? That Rondo could be great? Guess you missed that...

 

[houheffna]

Most of that stuff you said up there in completely irrelevant to the coversation.

Emotion has little-to-nothing to do with what I think.

It has nothing to do with why I think Rondo is a top 7 oh higher PG. It has nothing to do with why I believe Rose is the 3rd best PG.

Rondo is a great player, and does a number of things better than Rose. He has better court vision and makes much better interior passes. He seems to be able to pass on-the-go through the lane better. And he makes less mistakes on defense and has a knack for rebounds/loose balls.

Quite frankly, I don't even know why I am making a case for Rose > Rondo to you because you already said you agree earlier.

But one more thing... are you telling me that a team like this (healthy):

-Perkins, O'Neal, O'Neal
-Garnett, Davis
-Pierce, Daniels
-Allen, Von Wafer
-West, Robinson

...cannot win a championship?

Delonte West and Nate Robinson can't do what Rondo can do, and few players can...which is why I don't understand people saying Rondo is "unimportant". You can't replace a top 5 point guard with Delonte West and think you are going to win a title. It won't happen. Rivers called the Celtics Rondo's team for a reason, everything offensively revolves around him. They wouldn't be able to beat Miami or even the Bulls without Rondo, let alone the Lakers.