2nd Allstar Returns Out. Derrick Rose Trailing as #3 Guard

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Delonte West and Nate Robinson can't do what Rondo can do, and few players can...which is why I don't understand people saying Rondo is "unimportant". You can't replace a top 5 point guard with Delonte West and think you are going to win a title. It won't happen. Rivers called the Celtics Rondo's team for a reason, everything offensively revolves around him. They wouldn't be able to beat Miami or even the Bulls without Rondo, let alone the Lakers.

Well, there are certain things Delonte and Nate can do that Rondo can't.

I grant you that Boston would not be a title favorite w/o Rondo, but they could still beat LA, Miami, San Antonio, or Orlando.

And Rondo is a borderline top 5 PG.

Boston with Pierce as your point forward can definitely win a title. Boston has the capability of adapting without Rondo, and they have proved it.

 

[houheffna]

Well, there are certain things Delonte and Nate can do that Rondo can't.

I grant you that Boston would not be a title favorite w/o Rondo, but they could still beat LA, Miami, San Antonio, or Orlando.

And Rondo is a borderline top 5 PG.

Borderline...whatever. In a 7 game series? They couldn't beat any of those teams. And Rondo is better than West and Robinson by a sizable margin. They wouldn't be a bad team, they would be very good. But they would be missing the quarterback of their team. Nate can't do what Rondo can do, neither can Delonte...and what Rondo CAN do is much more valuable to the Celtics than what those other guys can do.

 

[Glide2keva]

And I guess you missed where Coach K (one of the greatest coaches in basketball history -and I hate Duke with a passion-) said he was uncoachable and Rose took his spot.

I called him a scrub because in my opinion, he is. His game is way overrated and ESPN is selling a bill of goods when it comes to him. I'm tired of people defending him like he's this great player when he isn't. He's an average player on a great team that is getting hyped because of his team. I can assure you Rondo wouldn't get half the props he gets if he was playing in Memphis, or New Jersey, or Sac-Town, or Philly or any other scrub team. He doesn't make his team better, they make him better.

Put Rose on that Celtics team and they win 3 in a row from 2008, to now.

Put Rondo on this Bulls team and they miss the playoffs.

Telling me I don't know basketball because I don't acknowledge one scrub player is laughable, I've probably forgotten more about the game than you've ever known. Also, I don't kiss ass or over-value players on my team. Saying Rose is better than Rondo isn't over-valuing him, it's stating the obvious. And saying Rondo is a scrub isn't Special person, it's the truth, but if ESPN tells you otherwise, then have at it.

You're the type of "fan" I can't stand. The one who never gives props to his supposed team he's a "fan" of. Instead you have "National" view. I know and acknowledge the other players, but my focus is on the Bulls. My life is busy enough with, kinesiology, physiology, pathology, anatomy, clinical integration, etc, to be worried about every player in the league.

Bottom line, Rose should be ahead of this scrub (yeah, I said it again), and it's because of fans like you who vote "nationally that's keeping him out of the starting lineup because you've most likely voted for Rondo with the way you're on his jock in this thread. I call him a scrub and here you come captain save-a-hoe in his defense. If I call him a scrub, that's me. It has nothing to do with you. You don't have to "school me on him", I don't care.

I am loyal to the Bulls and as other posters know, I used to work for them from 1993-1996 and got to see them up close.

 

[Glide2keva]

Well, there are certain things Delonte and Nate can do that Rondo can't.

I grant you that Boston would not be a title favorite w/o Rondo, but they could still beat LA, Miami, San Antonio, or Orlando.

And Rondo is a borderline top 5 PG.

Boston with Pierce as your point forward can definitely win a title. Boston has the capability of adapting without Rondo, and they have proved it.

Seriously, Rondo went down and Pierce stepped right in his role and they kept winning, like nothing happen. So how important is he really?

KG goes down and then they start losing.

 

[Glide2keva]

Borderline...whatever. In a 7 game series? They couldn't beat any of those teams. And Rondo is better than West and Robinson by a sizable margin. They wouldn't be a bad team, they would be very good. But they would be missing the quarterback of their team. Nate can't do what Rondo can do, neither can Delonte...and what Rondo CAN do is much more valuable to the Celtics than what those other guys can do.

What can the great Rondo do?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Borderline...whatever. In a 7 game series? They couldn't beat any of those teams. And Rondo is better than West and Robinson by a sizable margin. They wouldn't be a bad team, they would be very good. But they would be missing the quarterback of their team. Nate can't do what Rondo can do, neither can Delonte...and what Rondo CAN do is much more valuable to the Celtics than what those other guys can do.

In a 7-game series, they certainly could beat any of those teams without Rondo.

Rondo is not undisputedly better than Russell Westbrook, Tony Parker, or Steve Nash. So, yes, "borderline" is the right word.

Pierce would step in as the QB of the Celtics in Rondo's absence. He already has, and Boston still looked elite until KG went down.

I love how the lead headline on ESPN is 'Rondo out | Celtics lose' when they were winning EVERY game until KG also went down...

 

[houheffna]

And I guess you missed where Coach K (one of the greatest coaches in basketball history -and I hate Duke with a passion-) said he was uncoachable and Rose took his spot.

I called him a scrub because in my opinion, he is. His game is way overrated and ESPN is selling a bill of goods when it comes to him. I'm tired of people defending him like he's this great player when he isn't. He's an average player on a great team that is getting hyped because of his team. I can assure you Rondo wouldn't get half the props he gets if he was playing in Memphis, or New Jersey, or Sac-Town, or Philly or any other scrub team. He doesn't make his team better, they make him better.

Put Rose on that Celtics team and they win 3 in a row from 2008, to now.

Put Rondo on this Bulls team and they miss the playoffs.

Telling me I don't know basketball because I don't acknowledge one scrub player is laughable, I've probably forgotten more about the game than you've ever known. Also, I don't kiss ass or over-value players on my team. Saying Rose is better than Rondo isn't over-valuing him, it's stating the obvious. And saying Rondo is a scrub isn't Special person, it's the truth, but if ESPN tells you otherwise, then have at it.

You're the type of "fan" I can't stand. The one who never gives props to his supposed team he's a "fan" of. Instead you have "National" view. I know and acknowledge the other players, but my focus is on the Bulls. My life is busy enough with, kinesiology, physiology, pathology, anatomy, clinical integration, etc, to be worried about every player in the league.

Bottom line, Rose should be ahead of this scrub (yeah, I said it again), and it's because of fans like you who vote "nationally that's keeping him out of the starting lineup because you've most likely voted for Rondo with the way you're on his jock in this thread. I call him a scrub and here you come captain save-a-hoe in his defense. If I call him a scrub, that's me. It has nothing to do with you. You don't have to "school me on him", I don't care.

I am loyal to the Bulls and as other posters know, I used to work for them from 1993-1996 and got to see them up close.

Once again, your whole damn premise is that Rose is better than Rondo...who said that wasn't the case? It seems you are the one catching emotions with the "he threw Hinrich into a table" b.s. which has nothing to do with what Rondo can do on the basketball court.

Not once did I say Rose being better than Rondo was over-valuing Rondo, nor did I imply that. Try to stick to the subject...which is you think Rondo is a scrub which is flat out wrong. I don't want to school you on anything, you just say stupid things concerning this subject and I tell you you are wrong and why I feel that way. And don't blame ESPN for your obvious stupidity concerning Rondo's game or any other player for that matter. Its not their fault. One of their top basketball guys had Rose as his preseason choice for MVP of the league---last year!!! There has long been a Boston/New York bias that I saw with ESPN...however, in this case, Rose gets props from them.

Maybe you don't know what the hell a scrub is...maybe someone should "school" you on that. I know what it means, whether literal or slang, you are way off, and way wrong. And I think you know it...

 

[Glide2keva]

In a 7-game series, they certainly could beat any of those teams without Rondo.

Rondo is not undisputedly better than Russell Westbrook, Tony Parker, or Steve Nash. So, yes, "borderline" is the right word.

Pierce would step in as the QB of the Celtics in Rondo's absence. He already has, and Boston still looked elite until KG went down.

I love how the lead headline on ESPN is 'Rondo out | Celtics lose' when they were winning EVERY game until KG also went down...

This.

 

[Glide2keva]

Once again, your whole damn premise is that Rose is better than Rondo...who said that wasn't the case? It seems you are the one catching emotions with the "he threw Hinrich into a table" b.s. which has nothing to do with what Rondo can do on the basketball court.

Not once did I say Rose being better than Rondo was over-valuing Rondo, nor did I imply that. Try to stick to the subject...which is you think Rondo is a scrub which is flat out wrong. I don't want to school you on anything, you just say stupid things concerning this subject and I tell you you are wrong and why I feel that way. And don't blame ESPN for your obvious stupidity concerning Rondo's game or any other player for that matter. Its not their fault. One of their top basketball guys had Rose as his preseason choice for MVP of the league---last year!!! There has long been a Boston/New York bias that I saw with ESPN...however, in this case, Rose gets props from them.

Maybe you don't know what the hell a scrub is...maybe someone should "school" you on that. I know what it means, whether literal or slang, you are way off, and way wrong. And I think you know it...

And you're going off of the premise that I care what you think.

My opinion on Rondo being a scrub, is mine and doesn't require validation from you. Why do you care what I think of him, is he paying you or something? Seriously, let it go. Calling me names and trying to insult me is height of fail.

You're on a Bulls forum, defending Rondo, how ridiculous is that? Oh I forgot, you're a national fan and a Bulls fan out of convenience.

I mentioned the things Rondo did in that series because you said he handed Rose his ass in that series and I pointed out things he was allowed to get away with in that series. You mentioned that series first, not me. I'm only responding to it. And you still haven't addressed one point I made in that statement.

This guy is a great player? All examples of what I'm talking about [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUKVjW9PNcY]YouTube - Rajon Rondo Sucks[/ame]

 

[houheffna]

And you're going off of the premise that I care what you think.

My opinion on Rondo being a scrub, is mine and doesn't require validation from you. Why do you care what I think of him, is he paying you or something? Seriously, let it go. Calling me names and trying to insult me is height of fail.

You're on a Bulls forum, defending Rondo, how ridiculous is that? Oh I forgot, you're a national fan and a Bulls fan out of convenience.

I mentioned the things Rondo did in that series because you said he handed Rose his ass in that series and I pointed out things he was allowed to get away with in that series. You mentioned that series first, not me. I'm only responding to it. And you still haven't addressed one point I made in that statement.

This guy is a great player? All examples of what I'm talking about YouTube - Rajon Rondo Sucks

You don't have to care about what I think. I am just commenting on the fact that when it comes to basketball, apparently you don't think very often...

Are you not the same guy that caught a attitude when I dared to get upset about how Rose played on Christmas Day? Just thought about that...put the pompoms down...Your man crush is becoming a bad habit. Rondo is only a scrub to people who don't know basketball. Case closed...

 

[houheffna]

In a 7-game series, they certainly could beat any of those teams without Rondo.

Rondo is not undisputedly better than Russell Westbrook, Tony Parker, or Steve Nash. So, yes, "borderline" is the right word.

Pierce would step in as the QB of the Celtics in Rondo's absence. He already has, and Boston still looked elite until KG went down.

I love how the lead headline on ESPN is 'Rondo out | Celtics lose' when they were winning EVERY game until KG also went down...

Soooo, because the Celtics recently beat average Eastern Conference teams for the most part, they can win it all without Rondo? So then the Bulls don't need Boozer I take it?

17-3 with him....7-4 without him....against Miami, Rondo's assist to turnover ration was 33/6 in two games. Those other guys can't do anything close to that.

And maybe I'm wrong but the Celtics have not beaten one of the elite teams yet without Rondo unless you count Atlanta as one of the elites...

 

[Diddy1122]

Seriously people you've got to stop with all this Rondo scrub crap. The guy is good, it's really that simple. No Earl Boykins would not average 14apg on the Celtics, nor would Jeremy Lin, or Royal Ivey, or hell if you wanna go old school, Jim Les (brownie points for anyone who even remembers him). It's time to take the blinders off, put down the kool-aid & give him some due respect. I hate Rondo but that doesn't take away from the fact that he's probably the best passer in the NBA right now.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I hate Rondo but that doesn't take away from the fact that he's probably the best passer in the NBA right now.

Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Jason Williams, Deron Williams are all easily better passers just to name a few.

All of those guys could average just as many assists as Rondo does - except for Williams because he lacks the crossover and quickness he once had. Kidd does too but he is still a solid eough player to average big minutes.

Look, obviously Rondo is a very good player and worthy of being All Star. But he isn't even in Paul, Williams, and Rose's ballpark.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Soooo, because the Celtics recently beat average Eastern Conference teams for the most part, they can win it all without Rondo? So then the Bulls don't need Boozer I take it?

17-3 with him....7-4 without him....against Miami, Rondo's assist to turnover ration was 33/6 in two games. Those other guys can't do anything close to that.

And maybe I'm wrong but the Celtics have not beaten one of the elite teams yet without Rondo unless you count Atlanta as one of the elites...

7-2 without him until KG went down. And look at Paul Pierce's assists and how they went way up after Rondo went down.

I'm not saying that Boston is a better team without Rondo because that is ridiculous. All I'm saying is that the other players have the capability of steppig up in his absence and make up for a large proportion of Rondo's assists and are still a good passing/shooting team in his absence.

 

[houheffna]

Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Jason Williams, Deron Williams are all easily better passers just to name a few.

All of those guys could average just as many assists as Rondo does - except for Williams because he lacks the crossover and quickness he once had. Kidd does too but he is still a solid eough player to average big minutes.

Look, obviously Rondo is a very good player and worthy of being All Star. But he isn't even in Paul, Williams, and Rose's ballpark.

Jason Williams? Lol...boy oh boy...none of them are easily better passers than Rondo, not at all. Rondo is one of the best and should be credited as such. His AST/TO ratio is amongst the lead leaders and better than Nash and Deron Williams...the Jason Williams thing is ridiculous man...

 

[houheffna]

7-2 without him until KG went down. And look at Paul Pierce's assists and how they went way up after Rondo went down.

I'm not saying that Boston is a better team without Rondo because that is ridiculous. All I'm saying is that the other players have the capability of steppig up in his absence and make up for a large proportion of Rondo's assists and are still a good passing/shooting team in his absence.

In the last 7 games, Pierce is averaging under 7 assists...why are you talking as if he is Magic Johnson?

If you think the Celtics can beat the Heat or the Lakers with Pierce's increased assists numbers in substitute of Rondo's abilities, you are fooling yourself...

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Jason Williams? Lol...boy oh boy...

Jason Williams is definitely a better passer than Rajon Rondo. No question about it.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Jason Williams is definitely a better passer than Rajon Rondo. No question about it.

lol White Chocolate isn't even relevant right now.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

lol White Chocolate isn't even relevant right now.

I gave you another 4 relevant players who all are better passers than Rondo.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

In the last 7 games, Pierce is averaging under 7 assists...why are you talking as if he is Magic Johnson?

If you think the Celtics can beat the Heat or the Lakers with Pierce's increased assists numbers in substitute of Rondo's abilities, you are fooling yourself...

Pierce is the main catalyst while Allen, Garnett, and Robinson have also stepped up. I never spoke up Pierce as if he was Magic but the Celtics are still a great passing team- even Rondoless.

The Celtics definitely could beat MIA or LAL without Rondo. You are the one fooling yourself.