4 QB 3 WR 1OT scenario

[Discus fish salesman]

“Unquestionably the best edge”

Awfully strong statement about a guy I see listed as 3rd on most edge rankings. I mean even MHJ is not “unquestionably” the #1 WR.

Not saying you’re necessarily wrong. Just saying it absolutely is debatable

Hes been better his entire career while having a refined skill set that neither of the others possess. I'd assume his ranking is mostly due to durability concerns.

 

[Les Grossman]

I'm pretty sure Atlanta is set at LT, QB, and WR; and I'm also pretty sure fans are overvaluing WRs, but I'll humor this 'what if?'

If I cant trade down and have to use 9, it's Laiatu Latu from UCLA. Best 2-way DE in the draft.

Doesn't disappear for long stretches with chunk-sack games against far inferior opponents like Verse, and schematically he's better for Flus' system. Dallas Turner is a better stand up 3-4 edge than a hand-in-the-dirt 4-3 DE, which he's never been, and a thin frame is going to get him blocked a lot of plays when a lot of his success at Bama was predicated on him using a superior angle on the OT before speed/power combo and his long arms to get him better outside leverage and to compensate for his small frame. I'm also pretty sure if Atlanta stays at 8, then they're taking Turner.

Bears need a DE that can help out Sweat and play the run, which Latu is fantastic at. The only questions are a neck injury which caused him to miss time, and short arms, which is sure to send 'traits' idiots on this board into a tizzy, unless that only matters for OL. I can't keep up with the 'traits' folks these days, they like singular things sooooo much which often equates to bad overall players.

ATL is no more set at WR than CHI.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

1a MHJ
1b Turner

 

[Discus fish salesman]

@BaBaBlacksheep if it makes you feel better, I think turner has the highest upside and verse is the safest pick to be a long term quality player

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

@BaBaBlacksheep if it makes you feel better, I think turner has the highest upside and verse is the safest pick to be a long term quality player

I just thought it’s funny you didn’t think it was debatable is all.

But I do feel better now!

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I just thought it’s funny you didn’t think it was debatable is all.

But I do feel better now!

I speak in facts my friend

 

[Bort]

Latu is unquestionably the best edge and it's really not debatable. My hang up with him is obviously the injury concern. But I'd be thrilled if they could trade back and add him while picking up a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I think this is true if by "best" you mean "best college player." Latu was unquestionably a better college player than any of the other EDGE prospects.

But that's not the same thing as best prospect. Turner probably has more upside due to freakish athletic traits, and Verse is probably a safer pick because his game translates predictably well to the NFL.

I would personally take Latu, but I can understand the arguments for taking one of the other guys.

If all 3 are available, the smartest thing to do is probably to just trade down a few spots and take whichever one happens to fall to you.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I think this is true if by "best" you mean "best college player." Latu was unquestionably a better college player than any of the other EDGE prospects.

But that's not the same thing as best prospect. Turner probably has more upside due to freakish athletic traits, and Verse is probably a safer pick because his game translates predictably well to the NFL.

I would personally take Latu, but I can understand the arguments for taking one of the other guys.

If all 3 are available, the smartest thing to do is probably to just trade down a few spots and take whichever one happens to fall to you.

While I think verse is "safe" and translates well, I think people take that as he's certainly at 10-12 sack guy at least and I don't think that's accurate. I think he can create pressure and play the run well but could see his sack production being more in the 5-8 range as he doesn't have a refined pass rush skill set like latu. His main asset is power and he's really good at converting speed to power.

 

[Les Grossman]

i think every year it gets put out there that there will be a “QB frenzy and as many as X can go in the top 10”, but I think that cools off rather quickly come draft time.

i wouldnt be shocked to see only 3 QBs go top 10 and maybe even just 2.

 

[remydat]

i think every year it gets put out there that there will be a “QB frenzy and as many as X can go in the top 10”, but I think that cools off rather quickly come draft time.

i wouldnt be shocked to see only 3 QBs go top 10 and maybe even just 2.

Would think if one of the QBs are sitting there at 9, someone is going to want to jump in front of Minny assuming they havent already traded up. Whether that be the Broncos, Raiders, Saints or Seattle.

 

[HearshotKDS]

This is easily Turner for me. Highest upside Edge, plays position of biggest need and Bear have a great tool on their roster already in Demarcus Walker to step in for Turner on obvious run downs so you dont waste his time getting beat up by OTs on 3rd and 2. Pick best WR at 75, or maybe get frisky and trade up with one of the million future picks and try and grab someone like Polk/Walker/Worthy/Legette/McConkey/Franklin who probably go in the 2nd.

 

[oping00@gmail.com]

Alt is and Turner is penciled in by many for Tenn at #7 and Atlanta at #8 which will leave Maybe Odunze or a trade down.

 

[Chicago4Life]

turner and its not even close

 

[playthrough2001]

You're absolutely right. Let's look at context.

Latu against top 40 NCAAF offenses in 2023 (4 games, Arizona, USC, Oregon State, Washington State) - 6.5 sacks, 8.5 TFL, 14 pressures.

Verse against top 40 NCAAF offenses in 2023 (1 game, LSU) - 0 sacks, 0 TFL, 0 pressures, 2 assisted tackles.

Want to cherry-pick bad offenses? It still doesn't help Verse. Wake Forest is in the 100s, Southern Miss just cracks the top 100 at 99; that's 1/3 of Verse's sacks on the year. VT was in the 70s, which takes us over 50%. of his yearly production. The remainder came against Louisville and Florida, both ranked late 40s/early 50s for offense. Coastal Carolina, whom you feel the need to suggest weakens Latu's case, was 60th.

I personally like Latu a lot more than Verse but also understand those who prefer Verse. He's been healthier than Latu (which should be a factor, I'd be a hypocrite if I said I like drafting pre-injured players, and a massive neck injury for Latu which caused him to miss some previous years can cause a lot of alarm), and Verse finished 23 season against Louisville in the ACC championship game emphatically to pump some life into his stock.

I’ll just say an ex professional scout I respect (Daniel Jeremiah) has the edges ranked Turner, Verse, Latu.

I think Verse’s game will translate well to the NFL. I like Latu but he was definitely a bum slayer last year. For example, USC had a great offense with a terrible offensive line. I wonder what made them so special?

Also, I’m not burning a first round pick on a guy that was medically retired a few years ago.

Hard pass!

 

[playthrough2001]

I mean if you enjoy debating a losing argument

Daniel Jeremiah who scouted for the Eagles, Browns, and Ravens (working for Ozzie Newsome) has Latu behind both Turner and Verse. So, it is obviously debatable.

Which NFL team is on your resume?

Matt Miller has them in the exact same order.

So it must be debatable.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Daniel Jeremiah who scouted for the Eagles, Browns, and Ravens (working for Ozzie Newsome) has Latu behind both Turner and Verse. So, it is obviously debatable.

Which NFL team is on your resume?

Matt Miller has them in the exact same order.

So it must be debatable.

Because of injuries

 

[playthrough2001]

Because of injuries

He mentions the injury history but also states he doesn’t have elite speed or power. That matters at the next level.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

He mentions the injury history but also states he doesn’t have elite speed or power. That matters at the next level.

I mean his 40 and 10 yard split were very similar to verse. Turner was clearly better but he's obviously a better athlete than both. On tape you can see latu agility and lateral movement is better than verse. I like all 3 players but I think that it's pretty clear in watching them that latu is the most refined pass rusher. I'm not comfortable taking him higher than the others because of longevity concerns though

 

[IBleedBearsBlood]

Sorry if it already has been said, but if we are at 9 and Bowers is there, is Kmet able to be traded for another pick? Maybe packaged with a future pick for a pick this year between #40 - #60? We all love Kmet and Everett. And with most thinking Bowers is better than Kmet, then we would love Bowers and Everett.

 

[playthrough2001]

Sorry if it already has been said, but if we are at 9 and Bowers is there, is Kmet able to be traded for another pick? Maybe packaged with a future pick for a pick this year between #40 - #60? We all love Kmet and Everett. And with most thinking Bowers is better than Kmet, then we would love Bowers and Everett.

What is wrong with stacking talent? Plus, Kmet is a true in-line TE. Bowers is not.