[A] LEAVE BOWMAN ALONE!

[Shantz My Pants]

Trev you know there's no written proof of that. You have to take the word of those you do know that they wouldn't just say things to say them. If you can't do that I can't help you. There was/is most definitely annimosity which is why Dudley and Tallon were the ones having to BAIL them out. Without them Stan is even worse trouble because Burke taking versteeg was the "only" GM to deal with him that year after.

I don't get the benefit of knowing certain things, so unfortunately my blogs are going by what I've read or seen first hand (not much). I choose not to use hearsay because in the case that said hearsay is wrong, I look like an idiot.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

To get back to my blog..



I don't think Stan has done a bad job.



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[R K]

To that I agree to some extent. He's basically done nothing to this point. His drafts will remain to be seen in the years to come.

 

[IceHogsFan]

<shaking head>.....

Mora



Other then that no need to argue with someone's opinion because in order to prove someone wrong you will have to out certain people and that is not worth it.



Karma is aptly quoted in this thread.

 

[dlrob315]

Stan has not done a good job on picking talent on the pro personnel side or is it because no other GM will deal with Stan because of the way he got his job.



Pick your poison and you come up with a GM not fit for the job.

You have a link?

did you see "or"..."or" as in question?????



You purposely left the "or" out of your bold and asked me to back it up something I never stated as fact.



C'mon RK, you are better that. That's the first time I've seen you take something out of context.

 

[R K]

did you see "or"..."or" as in question?????



You purposely left the "or" out of your bold and asked me to back it up something I never stated as fact.



C'mon RK, you are better that. That's the first time I've seen you take something out of context.

you are a dolt! I was being sarcastic? Should I type in fucking purple? ROTFL!

 

[PatrickShart]

And....RK is not better than that.



He takes everything out of context.

 

[dlrob315]

you are a dolt! I was being sarcastic? Should I type in fucking purple? ROTFL!

I rather be wrong and hoodwinked...I like no purple.



But other than that...your family is Special person not me. lol

 

[R K]

And....RK is not better than that.



He takes everything out of context.

I learned from the best!

 

[Ton]

Here is the thing, Bowman hasn't necessarily made a terrible deal, but he hasn't found any gems out there either. He plays it safe, which is OK. I don't want the Blackhawks to be OK, I want them to win the Cup. He needs to take a risk and make a big play. He tried and failed in the FA market, his fault or not. Now he needs to look in the trade market but the Hawks camp is notoriously quiet once again in that aspect. He struck out with the FA's and now all of the sudden he is content? Let's go Stand Pat Bowman, make the move that puts this team in the Western Conference driver seat!



Don't get me wrong, I like the direction of our system. We have a lot of great young players coming up but they simply are not ready for a big role on the team. Even if McNeill made the team, or Danault, who really expects them to fill the 2nd line C void? You can't rely on a young kid like that unless you are in a rebuilding process. When was the last time a Stanley Cup winning team had a rookie at the 2nd line C position? It is too vital to ignore, and if you can create a package to bring in a player like that you take it regardless of the potential in the system. Just leave enough to replace the roster players you may have to deal to get that return.

 

[R K]

Name a 2nd line Center availabe that won't cost any of the core? Who's GM is also willing to trade since we know they don't grow on trees.

 

[Ton]

Name a 2nd line Center availabe that won't cost any of the core? Who's GM is also willing to trade since we know they don't grow on trees.

Yeah so give up. Sounds like Bowman. "We are fine at center" bullshit, he isn't even trying... not like he's lying to the media here, he isn't even looking. Roy was traded for a 3rd liner, Ribeiro was had for picks and prospects. I'm not suggesting Bowman had a chance on either, but it's obvious that 2nd line centers (those two can arguably be called 1A centers) could be had for a decent price if he makes it a priority. The guy has always been lackadaisical towards the trade market, and that is his biggest problem. He needs to grow some balls and get what he needs.

 

[PatrickShart]

So Leddy for Barker wasn't a gem?



Shaw in the 5th round not a gem?



And how the hell do you know he's not looking? Should he hold a town hall every time he's on the phone/talking to a GM? Do you want him to come out and say "We're desperate for a center. So any team that can trade us a center, we'll take it"?



Ok...so Dallas wanted Sharp for Ribeiro. Buffalo wanted Kane for Roy. Stan's an idiot for not doing that.

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]"We've talked to a number of players and their agents," Bowman said. "Anytime we can improve our team, we're going to look at it, whether it's a free-agent signing or trade."[/background]​

[font=Georgia, Times, serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]He's not allowed - no GMs are - to comment on specific players they want on other teams while they're under contract. But there were also rumors they were in on Staal - should he have pulled the trigger when Staal said he wouldn't sign an extension? Going hard after Brodeur, Suter, Parise wasn't ballsy?[/background][/font]​

 

[Ton]

So Leddy for Barker wasn't a gem?



Shaw in the 5th round not a gem?



And how the hell do you know he's not looking? Should he hold a town hall every time he's on the phone/talking to a GM? Do you want him to come out and say "We're desperate for a center. So any team that can trade us a center, we'll take it"?



Ok...so Dallas wanted Sharp for Ribeiro. Buffalo wanted Kane for Roy. Stan's an idiot for not doing that.

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]"We've talked to a number of players and their agents," Bowman said. "Anytime we can improve our team, we're going to look at it, whether it's a free-agent signing or trade."[/background]​

[font=Georgia, Times, serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]He's not allowed - no GMs are - to comment on specific players they want on other teams while they're under contract. But there were also rumors they were in on Staal - should he have pulled the trigger when Staal said he wouldn't sign an extension? Going hard after Brodeur, Suter, Parise wasn't ballsy?[/background][/font]​

How the hell do you know that?



So BUF goes from wanting Ott to Kane? What the **** are you smoking? Dallas goes from a prospect and pick to Sharp? GTFO, that sentence is pretty damn ridiculous... and honestly insulting to me.



If that's the case, then he's getting fucked beyond belief out there and quite honestly I don't believe that is the case.



Never stated that we haven't drafted well, I clearly stated that he has been failing in the trade department.



Stan has stated NUMEROUS times that he is content at center. He's not looking, I'll provide the link if you want. Unless of course he's lying to the media now. All I'm saying is he needs to be more aggressive, it's no secret that he has had trouble in the trade department for 3 years now.

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]"We've talked to a number of players and their agents," Bowman said. "Anytime we can improve our team, we're going to look at it, whether it's a free-agent signing or trade."[/background]​

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]To me, that proves NOTHING about his aggressiveness on the trade market. Sounds more like "we'll sit back and listen to offers, but meh, we'll see"[/background]​

 

[PatrickShart]

I know that the same way you know he hasn't tried getting one.



Ok...what player similar to Ott does Chicago have to trade to Buffalo?



And it's been pointed out numerous times to you, but you refuse to acknowledge - the DAL has not made any significant trades in the conference. None. Grossman, Neal, Niskanan,Ribeiro, Ott..and I bet Morrow too when he gets traded - all go to the other conference.



Who cares if he lies to the media? He also said he's content with goaltending and offered Brodeur a contract, didn't he?

 

[Ton]

I know that the same way you know he hasn't tried getting one.



Ok...what player similar to Ott does Chicago have to trade to Buffalo?



And it's been pointed out numerous times to you, but you refuse to acknowledge - the DAL has not made any significant trades in the conference. None. Grossman, Neal, Niskanan, Ott..and I bet Morrow too when he gets traded - all go to the other conference.



Who cares if he lies to the media? He also said he's content with goaltending and offered Brodeur a contract, didn't he?

Most GM's are honest when they are looking to improve in a particular area. As far as the center position, if Bowman was looking he would have acknowledged the need. He acknowledged the need for a physical defenseman before signing Brookbank. If he was looking for a center he would have stated that it was an area to improve.



As far as upgrading the goaltending position, that is even more telling. He doesn't mind our duo but if he had the opportunity (IE: Brodeur) he would do it. No shit, that is a free agent, why wouldn't he pursue that? Do you really think he's looking to trade for a goaltender right now via trade? I doubt it. That is my point, on the trade market he has always been apathetic.

 

[bri]

So Leddy for Barker wasn't a gem?



Shaw in the 5th round not a gem?



And how the hell do you know he's not looking? Should he hold a town hall every time he's on the phone/talking to a GM? Do you want him to come out and say "We're desperate for a center. So any team that can trade us a center, we'll take it"?



Ok...so Dallas wanted Sharp for Ribeiro. Buffalo wanted Kane for Roy. Stan's an idiot for not doing that.

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]"We've talked to a number of players and their agents," Bowman said. "Anytime we can improve our team, we're going to look at it, whether it's a free-agent signing or trade."[/background]​

[font=Georgia, Times, serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]He's not allowed - no GMs are - to comment on specific players they want on other teams while they're under contract. But there were also rumors they were in on Staal - should he have pulled the trigger when Staal said he wouldn't sign an extension? Going hard after Brodeur, Suter, Parise wasn't ballsy?[/background][/font]​

I had to go check Stan's birthday to make sure you weren't him.

 

[PatrickShart]

So you know for a fact then, that he has not talked to another GM to get a center?



And if teams are wanting Shaw, Leddy, Saad or McNeil - and/or more to get a center - is that worth it? For Roy? Ribeiro? That's what you'd want? Because Frolik, Bickell, Stalberg, Hjarrlmarsson....aren't getting it done.

 

[equator180]

There is staill a chance to redeem himself...fill the huge, huge, huge hole between the pipes. Get Lou! All this crying over money is strictly Bull Sh1t, why do you think there is a cap, use it! If not then the cap is too high, lower it! Lou is a deal considering the money paid to some run of the mill players of late. He is proven, he is good and he is a team player who is an asset...don't let him get away as without someone of caliber between the pipes, we don't have a hope in he77!

 

[PatrickShart]

I had to go check Stan's birthday to make sure you weren't him.

Hey, if people want to piss and moan about how he got the job...I don't and won't pretend to know the true story or what happened...so won't defend that.



But to claim he's not trying to address needs - without no one having a clue - is ridiculous. Of course he's going to say he's happy with his players/stand behind them as well as if something comes around to improve the team - I'd expect him to do that as well. Just as he said he would do. Is he more conservative? Maybe. Or maybe he's just refusing to part with the prospects he believe is the future of the team