[A] Roberto Luongo: Chicago's definitely one of them

Would you welcome Roberto Luongo to Chicago?

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Of course there's more to it than just the save percentage alone, same as it would be for any one number taken out of context in almost any sport. Like, seeing 2 goalies posting a league average save percentage, say .915, during the season doesn't really tell you much. But when you delve deeper and find out Goalie A had faced a whole lot more shots than Goalie B in roughly the same amount or less games, or that Goalie A didn't have as much scoring support than Goalie B, or that Goalie A faced a lot more penalty killing situations than B and vice versa, that sort of stuff makes the picture of comparing the 2 goalies a whole lot clearer.



There's not going to be such a wide swath of difference between most of the goalies when you look at the "basic" numbers, parity is higher than ever, that to distinguish them you have to go deeper than just bare bones cliched evaluations of goalies. You know them, we've all heard them a million times over, look at how many wins he has, look at him making the "big save" at the critical times, etc.The W-L record, GAA, save percentages, more often than not, taken all on their own won't tell you too much on any one goalie and how he compares to his peers. But the NHL doesn't really give you the kind of info needed, at least not that I've seen in broadcasts, to make those distinctions better. They don't go that extra step in helping to educate their fan base. Baseball is doing it, football is starting to do it and so is basketball. Hockey again, bringing up the rear, as usual, behind the times.
 

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Gillis would have a hell of a lot more to lose/pressure from VAN media than Bowman.



The Canadian media is a big reason for him being run out/the mental state of that organization than anyone. They build them up so much (because thats the best chance Canada has had to win the cup), and then bury them when they fail.



I can't wait to see how Schieder does under that microscope. Everyone loves the backups in sports, until they get regular duty.





Just like Craword.
 

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Yeah, so I'm guilty of skimming through, as Luongo in Chicago is something that doesn't interest me in the least.. Sue me.
Finally a use to bring Francis back to this board... haha.
 

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Need more than his first two years to go off of but it could be like him. I don't think he was the back up year #1, he beat Turco out of Camp. And he was most certainly not the back up last year.

True. We had the cup season when Niemi ended up #1 also--up to the last day before the games in Finland it was not even sure if he or Crow was on the team. I have often thought that starting a season as backup would put a lot less pressure on a goalie. I hope Corey gets straightened out...its always better when our own guys come through instead of having to sell prospects to get somebody else's guy.
 

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Of course there's more to it than just the save percentage alone, same as it would be for any one number taken out of context in almost any sport. Like, seeing 2 goalies posting a league average save percentage, say .915, during the season doesn't really tell you much. But when you delve deeper and find out Goalie A had faced a whole lot more shots than Goalie B in roughly the same amount or less games, or that Goalie A didn't have as much scoring support than Goalie B, or that Goalie A faced a lot more penalty killing situations than B and vice versa, that sort of stuff makes the picture of comparing the 2 goalies a whole lot clearer.

And number of shots does not even necessarily address quality. During that one playoff year in our dark ages we had Housley and Odelein going well and we gave a lot of shots but 98% were unscreened slappers from the half wall. T-Bo had a great save % and people tried to say he was an elite goalie.



Crow faced a large number of breakaways and just plain big defensive blunders last year and people forget he made a lot of damn nice saves for us...Lou is not the only guy who does that.
 

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Need more than his first two years to go off of but it could be like him. I don't think he was the back up year #1, he beat Turco out of Camp. And he was most certainly not the back up last year.



If I remember correctly, was Turco not the starter after Niemi left, I swear I remember he was then he beat turco during the season.
 

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If I remember correctly, was Turco not the starter after Niemi left, I swear I remember he was then he beat turco during the season.



I dont think Turco was intended to be used as a number #1. While I dont have word of mouth fact, Turco, a vet goalie who owns near all Dallas Star goalie records, became available for a bargain price to help cover if a young keep fell into trouble and perhaps be something of a coach and to help with the head games.



GO BRUINS!



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One of my buddies texted me saying he's hearing that the Hawks are looking to tryout Hasek???????
 

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One of my buddies texted me saying he's hearing that the Hawks are looking to tryout Hasek???????



Good God. Hasek was a dinosaur 4 years ago, how fucking broke is he that he's attempting a comeback.
 

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Well I haven't seen anyone legitamately reporting it and I hope its not true. I knew he was attempting a comeback I just didn't think the Hawks would be involved.
 

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One of my buddies texted me saying he's hearing that the Hawks are looking to tryout Hasek???????



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Hey, if he can still do it, why the hell not. I am willing to bet he is one of those freaks whose flexibility barely tapers off with age.
 

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Well I haven't seen anyone legitamately reporting it and I hope its not true. I knew he was attempting a comeback I just didn't think the Hawks would be involved.



Wouldn't surprise me. McD sees the name but doesn't realize he's been out of the game.
 

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Well I haven't seen anyone legitamately reporting it and I hope its not true. I knew he was attempting a comeback I just didn't think the Hawks would be involved.



We probably aren't. Everytime a decent hockey story breaks I think the Hawks feel the need to say they might do something, McDonut probably has Smithers and his lemmings scouring the interwebs to make sure the Hawks are as visible as possible at all times.
 

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When do we get a real GM? Cause other than the money Tallon has been dishing out with contracts, all the players he has grabbed would have been great on our team, or in some cases back on our team.



Versteeg would have made us almost infinitely better IMO, Fleischmann, Goc, Sturm. Just love what the guy is doing down there....in Florida, fucking Florida.
 

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Well I haven't seen anyone legitamately reporting it and I hope its not true. I knew he was attempting a comeback I just didn't think the Hawks would be involved.

One of my buddies texted me saying he's hearing that the Hawks are looking to tryout Hasek???????





I heard Espo is too since binny's are not going to sign him.
 

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Hasek's plan (update)



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If Dominik Hasek manages to land a gig in the NHL for 2012-13, it won't be with the Buffalo Sabres.[/background]
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According to the Buffalo News, Sabres GM Darcy Regier confirmed reports that he was approached by Hasek's agent about a potential return to Buffalo. But Regier expressed an interest in sticking with Ryan Miller andJhonas Enroth over the 47-year-old.[/background]
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"One thing I am sure of: (Hasek) has no doubt in his mind that he can play," Regier said. "... I know better than to question Dom's desire and his ability. Unfortunately, it's not something that was going to fit here ... I hope he finds a team to play with. I would love to see him back in the league and hopefully he would play well -- in the Western Conference."[/background]


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Lo and behold, goaltender Dominik Hasek could have a hankering to return to the NHL next season.[/background]
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CBC's Elliotte Friedman relays a recent conversation he had with a reputable Czech source in regards to the ageless wonder.[/background]
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Hey, if he can still do it, why the hell not. I am willing to bet he is one of those freaks whose flexibility barely tapers off with age.
FYI never said i would want him back in a Hawk uni it just amazing that he is still playing
 
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