Alfonso Soriano's Endless Contract

[Captain Obvious]

So wait, are you telling me that if you have 10 pieces of bread, and all are moldy, but one is a little less moldy than the others, that it is great?

You're kind of on the right track. It's not great, but it has more value compared to the rest of them. Soriano is not great, but he has more value than other LFers.

 

[FirstTimer]

His contract has absolutely no barring on whether he has been good or not. Yes, it is going to end terribly. Yes, we knew this would happen. But Soriano got us to the playoffs like he was supposed to in 07 and 08.

He was awesome because he was a top 3 defender in LF. Which because it's LF isn't saying a lot. However, that's how he got his value. Because all other LFers suck.

And that helps make him a Top 10 player?!? You're fucking pathetic.

 

[Jntg4]

Let me guess. Range Factor?

CCS is the first result in google for: Range Factor bro.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Let me guess. Range Factor?

Great Rebuttal.

 

[Jntg4]

You're kind of on the right track. It's not great, but it has more value compared to the rest of them. Soriano is not great, but he has more value than other LFers.

But it is still moldy... so it still sucks anyway... and you could buy some more bread to replace it (e.g. a quality OF).

 

[Jntg4]

Great Rebuttal.

Nowhere near as great as your rebuttal though.

 

[DewsSox79]

Great Rebuttal.

there are only a few reasons why you post the way you do.

1) You post for attention

2) You actually are a kool aid drinking delusional homer

3) or all of the above

 

[Captain Obvious]

But it is still moldy... so it still sucks anyway... and you could buy some more bread to replace it (e.g. a quality OF).

It's moldy compared to all the bread. But for the bread that you have, in this case which is LFers, it's good.

You could go buy a quality OFer. Go for it, but then you lose Soriano's bat, which is certainly his biggest asset. Soriano was a 7 win player in 07, if you can find a better OFer than that, go for it. But, Soriano had a lot of value with his glove in 07, plus his bat had a lot of value.

 

[Captain Obvious]

there are only a few reasons why you post the way you do.

1) You post for attention

2) You actually are a kool aid drinking delusional homer

3) or all of the above

Is it really that hard for a mod to stick on topic?

 

[Jntg4]

there are only a few reasons why you post the way you do.

1) You post for attention

2) You actually are a kool aid drinking delusional homer

3) or all of the above

4) He is a

5) He is a

who is hypocritical

6) He wants a :ban:

7) Alfonso Soriano is his father

8) or he has some other form of relationship to Soriano

 

[DewsSox79]

Is it really that hard for a mod to stick on topic?

good one buddy. you got me.

 

[Jntg4]

It's moldy compared to all the bread. But for the bread that you have, in this case which is LFers, it's good.

You could go buy a quality OFer. Go for it, but then you lose Soriano's bat, which is certainly his biggest asset. Soriano was a 7 win player in 07, if you can find a better OFer than that, go for it. But, Soriano had a lot of value with his glove in 07, plus his bat had a lot of value.

But if you eat that less-moldy-but-still-moldy piece of bread, you will still get sick.

 

[Captain Obvious]

good one buddy. you got me.

Then post something useful instead of your same apologist, homer, kool-aid regime. You still haven't shown me that stat to rebut RANGE FACTOR BRO.

 

[Jntg4]

Then post something useful instead of your same apologist, homer, kool-aid regime. You still haven't shown me that stat to rebut RANGE FACTOR BRO.

Captain Obvious
apologist: check
homer: check, except for Barney and Cashner
kool-aid: name your flavor, it's a check

DewsSox79
mod: check
possesses ban hammer: check
> CO: check

Alfonso Soriano
LOL: check

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

BAKER!!!!

Anyway, I'm only going to go through this once. Fielder percentage measures errors. Do errors alone make a fielder good or bad? The answer is no. If a player can get to 7 out of 10 balls and makes an error on 2 and another player can only make it to 3 out of 10, but doesn't make an error on either of those 3, who would you rather have? The guy that makes it to the 7 out of 10 balls, but the guy who makes it to 3 is going to have a better fielding percentage.

I'm not even going to comment on the other years because 07 is the year in question. I never said he was great because really no LFer is great. However, by LF standards, he was awesome. This is in comparison to other LFers in the league.

errors certainly dont help a player's case for being a great defender...

07 may be the year in question...but it doesnt validate soriano's defense as being anywhere near good or to be used as an advantage...

soriano's defensive WAR has only been above one twice(once with the nationals and once with the cubs in 07) besides that it has been around 0 or much lower than that..

furthermore, his defensive chances(putouts+assists+errors) has been in the low 200s and his ch was relatively good in 07 as a LF with 269 in around 125 games...but since then its been pretty bad...

Carl Crawford is one of the best defenders in the league and he's a LF(his fielding percentage and ch are great)

Matt Holliday is a pretty good defender at LF(was better than soriano defensively at least in 07...higher fielding % and a ch above 300)

and i understand that LF is not an easy defensive position...but i dont think that is the reason for soriano's mainly subpar defense as a cub

his defensive WAR was absurdly bad when he was a second baseman when he was with the yankees and rangers...

please...lets not act this like guy has ever been anywhere near a gold glove guy

 

[Rice Cube]

His dWAR prior to 2006 was really bad because he was a 2B, which is a harder position to play than LF. He's definitely not the best defender by any stretch of the imagination, but WAR doesn't care about style, it cares more about results. Soriano was decent as an OF pretty much because of his speed and his arm. Once he lost his speed, he lost the only thing that kept him from being truly atrocious.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

His dWAR prior to 2006 was really bad because he was a 2B, which is a harder position to play than LF. He's definitely not the best defender by any stretch of the imagination, but WAR doesn't care about style, it cares more about results. Soriano was decent as an OF pretty much because of his speed and his arm. Once he lost his speed, he lost the only thing that kept him from being truly atrocious.

valid point... and he was relying on his athleticism so much as a defender...and now he has lost pretty much all of that...we see how his defense has become from mediocre to pretty much horrible as a result

 

[ChiSportsRich]

Soriano is the type of guy that would get to 6 and make an error on 1. Which compared to other LFers is still good.

Soriano isn't a great fielder because he plays LF. LFers suck. He was great because in comparison to other LFers he was really awesome. That's where he gets his value.

He plays LF cause hes a bad fielder, not the other way around.

 

[TheCubfather]

He plays LF cause hes a bad fielder, not the other way around.

post of the thread. :clap:

 

[Rick]

That is totally irrelevant. We are talking about 2007.

Soriano was horrible on defense then too!! He was so bad at second base that they put him in the outfield when he was with the Nationals! :shot: