All purpose Garza/Dempster trade thread

[Rice Cube]

I worry more about becoming one of the many teams who's farm systems you've been hearing about for years that have gone nowhere as opposed to being the Phillies or Red Sox

I think the difference between the Cubs and, say, the Royals or Pirates, is that the Cubs actually have the money to spend to get free agents and to retain their prospects when they reach free agency. That should help turn them into the Red Sox (the good ones, not the fail of the past couple years). At least one hopes so.

 

[Jntg4]

Dewey cares more about prospect cawley size theme anything else.

Friedman: What would it take to get Peavy?
Dewey: Here, take some rulers!

 

[Jntg4]

I think the difference between the Cubs and, say, the Royals or Pirates, is that the Cubs actually have the money to spend to get free agents and to retain their prospects when they reach free agency. That should help turn them into the Red Sox (the good ones, not the fail of the past couple years). At least one hopes so.

This

 

[dabynsky]

I think the difference between the Cubs and, say, the Royals or Pirates, is that the Cubs actually have the money to spend to get free agents and to retain their prospects when they reach free agency. That should help turn them into the Red Sox (the good ones, not the fail of the past couple years). At least one hopes so.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

This is exactly why the Pirates, Royals, etc. are not analogous to the Cubs. They have to not only get it right with their prospects, but they also have to have them all peak at the same time before they hit free agency. The Cubs can afford to lock up guys they develop that are proven.

 

[DewsSox79]

Dewey cares more about prospect cawley size theme anything else.

Friedman: What would it take to get Peavy?
Dewey: Here, take some rulers!

what.

 

[dabynsky]

You've said the Sox need another starter, why not Dempster?

Bruce Levine
(1:49 PM)
I think that's a possibility, just depends on how much money the Sox are willing to eat. The Cubs are looking to get from 6-8 young pitching prospects. That's one way to build their minor league system.

Is Levine saying the Cubs want to get 6-8 young pitching prospects in general or is he high and saying the Cubs want 6-8 pitching prospects for Dempster?

 

[Rice Cube]

Is Levine saying the Cubs want to get 6-8 young pitching prospects in general or is he high and saying the Cubs want 6-8 pitching prospects for Dempster?

I think Levine doesn't know WTF he's talking about :lol:

 

[DewsSox79]

I think Levine doesn't know WTF he's talking about :lol:

id say he may have been thinking garza but than I realized there is no way in hell garza brings back 6-8 pitching prospects.

 

[waldo7239117]

Isn't Levine saying the Cubs wants a pitching prospects in the range of 6-8 for Dempster? That's what I think...

 

[dabynsky]

Isn't Levine saying the Cubs wants a pitching prospects in the range of 6-8 for Dempster? That's what I think...

That would be a really weird reading of that sentence, but perhaps that is what he meant since it was an odd statement.

 

[dabynsky]

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/221277077226258432

#Tigers‬ have interest in Matt Garza. ‪#Cubs‬ recently scouted Detroit's prospect-heavy Erie affiliate. But talks not serious, sources say.

The Tigers have a 3B that is pretty good in Erie :thinking:

 

[daddies3angels]

Tigers Interested In Matt Garza

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 6 at 11:28am CST]

The Tigers have interest in Matt Garza, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports (Twitter links). The Cubs recently scouted Detroit's Erie affiliate, but talks are not serious. The Blue Jays, Indians, Reds, Red Sox, Diamondbacks and Cardinals all scouted Garza's start last night, Morosi adds.

The Cubs and Tigers discussed a deal involving Matt Garza this past January without reaching an agreement. Though the Tigers continue to get Cy Young-type production from Justin Verlander, starters Rick Porcello, Max Scherzer have been inconsistent so far this year.

Garza, 28, earns $9.5MM and will remain under team control through 2013. He has a 4.32 ERA with 8.3 K/9 and 2.8 BB/9 through 93 2.3 innings.

Cubs need pitching back. Turner, Crosby + be good to me

 

[Rice Cube]

Cubs need pitching back. Turner, Crosby + be good to me

That depends on how desperate you think the Tigers are.

Their owner did just blow $200MM+ on Prince Fielder so I guess it'll work. But on a level playing field that kind of trade is a bit unrealistic. Then again, trades don't often operate on a level playing field when one team is trying to contend and the other wants to milk the first for everything they're worth.

 

[daddies3angels]

The one thing that helps the Cubs is that Garza could still net them comp next offseason. Where players like Hamels, Greinke will not. So Garza has more value. Team knows they might have to give up 3-4 specs but they can get 2 back

 

[dabynsky]

That depends on how desperate you think the Tigers are.

Their owner did just blow $200MM+ on Prince Fielder so I guess it'll work. But on a level playing field that kind of trade is a bit unrealistic. Then again, trades don't often operate on a level playing field when one team is trying to contend and the other wants to milk the first for everything they're worth.

Yeah when Carlos Lee (washed up, bad hitting 1B that is a free agent to be) nets two useful prospects then I think we can say that the market has yet to be determined.

 

[dabynsky]

The one thing that helps the Cubs is that Garza could still net them comp next offseason. Where players like Hamels, Greinke will not. So Garza has more value. Team knows they might have to give up 3-4 specs but they can get 2 back

I believe in the new CBA you only get one pick, the supplemental pick. I think the team that signs the draft pick just loses their highest unprotected pick.

 

[Rice Cube]

The one thing that helps the Cubs is that Garza could still net them comp next offseason. Where players like Hamels, Greinke will not. So Garza has more value. Team knows they might have to give up 3-4 specs but they can get 2 back

That does depend on how well he pitches, but if he's traded he's some other team's problem. If the scouts think he's more likely to pitch like he did last night, then the comp goes out the window because no team is going to offer qualifying contract. If they instead believe that he'll be "Garza average" over his career then that's still in play. The prospects may not be what most fans are looking for but I believe it will still be a fair deal.

 

[daddies3angels]

I believe in the new CBA you only get one pick, the supplemental pick. I think the team that signs the draft pick just loses their highest unprotected pick.

i still thought you get teams unprotected pick + supplemental

 

[daddies3angels]

That does depend on how well he pitches, but if he's traded he's some other team's problem. If the scouts think he's more likely to pitch like he did last night, then the comp goes out the window because no team is going to offer qualifying contract. If they instead believe that he'll be "Garza average" over his career then that's still in play. The prospects may not be what most fans are looking for but I believe it will still be a fair deal.

Long as Garza is AVG he will still get 12.5+ in FA which will net team comp. SP is hard to find so teams overpay for it

 

[Rice Cube]

i still thought you get teams unprotected pick + supplemental

I think that's the way it's supposed to work.