All Things Carlos Zambrano Discussion Thread

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To think that after the Cubs tried getting Roberts but wouldn't give up Felix Pie and Rich Hill. Now they may get him by giving up Zambrano and his horrible contract
 

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Figgins can play some outfield. He actually could be useful as a supersub type.
 

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To think that after the Cubs tried getting Roberts but wouldn't give up Felix Pie and Rich Hill. Now they may get him by giving up Zambrano and his horrible contract

The whole Brian Roberts trade scenarios were always weird though because of Peter Angelo's mancrush on Brian Roberts. I still don't see a deal happening for Roberts since if he can come back from the concussion he is actually kind of decent.
 

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dont we have that "supersub" in dewitt? :rolleyes:
 

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Assuming he's capable of regressing to pre-Seattle Figgins :lol:

Pre-2011 Figgins would be all right. The guy's value is always going to be BABIP driven and right now it is over a 100 points lower than his career average.
 

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I like the Figgins idea. I can see him being a usefull piece for Cubs
 

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Wow, does CO honestly think Ricketts is doing better than Mark Cuban could have

:obama: :obama: :obama: :obama:

Cuban took the laughing stock Mavericks to an NBA title in a decade. Should have had 2, but he made the Mavericks relevant, not only with his antics, which the Cubs could use, and the money he spent.

I am not going to say who would be better because its not even possible to validate either claim, but the bold is what I am interested in.

It took him a DECADE. Not only that but the Mavs were on the way up the year that he bought them (20-12) and had one of the best players in the league.

The Cubs were on the way down and have no player that could be considered a best player and not only that but in baseball one player is not nearly as valuable as in basketball.

One player can take you from being awful to being in the NBA Finals (see Cleveland).

Regardless you pointed out a decade for Cuban. Ricketts has been owner for just over 13 months.

Let's give him some time before pulling out the jump to conclusions mat.
 

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I am not going to say who would be better because its not even possible to validate either claim, but the bold is what I am interested in.

It took him a DECADE. Not only that but the Mavs were on the way up the year that he bought them (20-12) and had one of the best players in the league.

The Cubs were on the way down and have no player that could be considered a best player and not only that but in baseball one player is not nearly as valuable as in basketball.

One player can take you from being awful to being in the NBA Finals (see Cleveland).

Regardless you pointed out a decade for Cuban. Ricketts has been owner for just over 13 months.

Let's give him some time before pulling out the jump to conclusions mat.
But that's the thing, Cuban got people and began turning the Mavs around right away. He had Dirk, and began to build around him, turned the Mavs into a Western Conference playoff team right away.

Ricketts has been here 2 years now. I haven't saw him make changes or spend big at the MLB level. I'm beginning to believe Ricketts doesn't have the resources to compete at the MLB level.
 

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Not directed to anyone in particular.

I don't think its fair to judge Ricketts yet. Its been what? Two years?

And comparing Ricketts to Cuban is apples to oranges as poodski said "One player can take you from being awful to being in the NBA Finals (see Cleveland)". Its much easier, in theory, to build a good-enough basketball team than a baseball team. For example: 2010-11 New York Knicks.

Nothing wrong with evaluating him, but to say Ricketts suck with only two years is kind of lame. I'm going to give him 5 years before I think he's good or bad.
 

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Not directed to anyone in particular.

I don't think its fair to judge Ricketts yet. Its been what? Two years?

And comparing Ricketts to Cuban is apples to oranges as poodski said "One player can take you from being awful to being in the NBA Finals (see Cleveland)". Its much easier, in theory, to build a good-enough basketball team than a baseball team. For example: 2010-11 New York Knicks.

Nothing wrong with evaluating him, but to say Ricketts suck with only two years is kind of lame. I'm going to give him 5 years before I think he's good or bad.
Not really when Cuban and Ricketts were the two main bidders for the Cubs. I wouldn't compare the two if Cuban didn't want the Cubs.

I'd say its easier to build a good MLB team than a NBA team, mainly because of the lack of salary cap, however, once you get into the organizational perspective of the minors and affiliates, it does become difficult to build an organization.

Looking at Ricketts, Wrigleyville man who claimed to have lived in bleachers, yet I've never seen him out of a suit. Had to convince dad to buy the team, with the main reason being the Cubs sell.

Looking a Cuban, a charismatic character with more than enough of his own money to spend on a team.

Both are similar owners in the fact they had a young star to build their team around. (Castro and Dirk)

Ricketts doesn't have the resources to compete at the MLB level. I don't see Tom Ricketts leading the Cubs to a World Series title.
 

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I didn't see Jeff Loria as a man to lead a team to a World Series either. If the guy picks the right people to manage the resources he is currently devoting, this is an organization that can contending in the not too distant future.
 

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Breaking News:Carlos Zambrano Cleans Out Locker, Walks Out

But that's the thing, Cuban got people and began turning the Mavs around right away. He had Dirk, and began to build around him, turned the Mavs into a Western Conference playoff team right away.

Ricketts has been here 2 years now. I haven't saw him make changes or spend big at the MLB level. I'm beginning to believe Ricketts doesn't have the resources to compete at the MLB level.

He didn't get the team tip last July so it's been 13 months.

He's had one offseason where he had really no money to spend (based on previous payrolls). There really wasn't much he could do.

He's only had one draft and he spent a lot of money. He's spending in places other than the majors which is honestly a good place to start. Work your way up.

I just think it's WAY too early to judge him. Way too early. I think the earliest you can judge him is end of 2013.
 

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Breaking News:Carlos Zambrano Cleans Out Locker, Walks Out

Also Fisch Castro is no where in the same league as Dirk.
 

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I didn't see Jeff Loria as a man to lead a team to a World Series either. If the guy picks the right people to manage the resources he is currently devoting, this is an organization that can contending in the not too distant future.
To be fair, that team was more John Henry's team than his.

Same with this team. This is more of the Tribune trying to increase the value of the Cubs with bloated contracts. This does not excuse Ricketts of not spending money or getting rid of money to get better at the MLB level. I maintain the Ricketts don't have the resources to compete at the MLB level like a big market team should. I have not been proven otherwise.
 

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Also Fisch Castro is no where in the same league as Dirk.
I said they were both young stars :shrug: That would be true, Dirk made the all-star team in his 4th NBA season. Castro I guess in his 2nd MLB season, 4th professional.
 

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I'm not so sure about that. I think a lot of Cubs fans would be glad to be without the headcase and would be laughing at the team that paid him.
 

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What were they supposed to do? Let him go? If Hendry had let him go, the bitching about Z would be about triple.
Yeah Zambrano punched out Michael Barrett.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-070601cubsgamer,0,1493423.story

Two and a half months later the Cubs sign him to a 5 year 91M deal, with the potential for 6/110M
Cubs showed then that Z could do whatever he wants, without any major punishment. Now the Cubs have to live with what they sowed.
 
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