Amazon Sells Guide To Pedophilia

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Nice try.



If you don't find a book on pedophilia revolting then by all means go buy one.

Have you read the Bible? You can probably-no wait- not even probably, you know the Bible has caused more damage than this idiot's little e-book. Let's throw that off Amazon and ban it.

 

[Rdrhwke]

Actually there is quite a bit of condoned pedophelia, rape, murder, incest, genocide, slavery in the bible. so.......







Does it actually show naked children? If theres no nudity or illustrations of sex, not sure if it would qualify.





I have no problem with a retailer deciding they dont want to sell a book because they dont agree with the contents, but I dont think the government should get involved, if the content is currently no breaking any law.



Its like my argument for marijuana, people who want to **** children are going to try whether this book exists or not.

To repeat, I never mentioned anything about the goverment being involved. I placed blame on the publsher and Amazon.

 

[Rdrhwke]

Have you read the Bible? You can probably-no wait- not even probably, you know the Bible has caused more damage than this idiot's little e-book. Let's throw that off Amazon and ban it.

So now the bible is a "How To" guide on the same level as a book on pedophila.



Amazing..

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

To repeat, I never mentioned anything about the goverment being involved. I placed blame on the publsher and Amazon.

And honestly in this day and age I do not expect or want the US gov't to get involved. It would just be one of those things that if there was ever litigation against the writer, publisher, etc that what is or is not free speech would be used based on the intent. As it should be.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Actually there is quite a bit of condoned pedophelia, rape, murder, incest, genocide, slavery in the bible. so.......







Does it actually show naked children? If theres no nudity or illustrations of sex, not sure if it would qualify.





I have no problem with a retailer deciding they dont want to sell a book because they dont agree with the contents, but I dont think the government should get involved, if the content is currently no breaking any law.



Its like my argument for marijuana, people who want to **** children are going to try whether this book exists or not.

No doubt. The guy in the rusty molester van eye fucking your 8 year old daughter or son by the school doesn't need a book to advance his condition.



The only way to solve these hopeless romantics is blunt force trauma to the head.

The funny thing is NAMBLA has been around for a while and is still functioning-- and they have conferences. That is much more dangerous than a non-selling book on Amazon that some person stumbled across... by accident? Hmmm....

 

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So now the bible is a "How To" guide on the same level as a book on pedophila.



Amazing..

Think of the kind of power that book has and the incredible, mind boggling amount of abuse that it's been used to create over the hundreds of years it's been in existence. It's not even close. I don't see how that can be argued.

 

[bookjones]

Think of the kind of power that book has and the incredible, mind boggling amount of abuse that it's been used to create over the hundreds of years it's been in existence. It's not even close. I don't see how that can be argued.

Agreed. Whether many believe people believe it's fiction or "mostly fiction" or to be fundamentally non-fictional or not changes absolutely nothing in the Bible's distinction and standing as the penultimate how-to or primer book about the Christian faith and about "how to lead a good Christian life"---that's exactly the purported point of "The Good Book." There is no other title of more importance or given more reverential weight and to which Christian followers turn to more for guidance than the Bible. It's not the most published, most purchased, and most consumed single title in the entire history of the printed word because it's "just rip-roaring fiction" or you know, The Davinci Code on roids. P

 

[LordKOTL]

Agreed. Whether many believe people believe it's fiction or "mostly fiction" or to be fundamentally non-fictional or not changes absolutely nothing in the Bible's distinction and standing as the penultimate how-to or primer book about the Christian faith and about "how to lead a good Christian life"---that's exactly the purported point of "The Good Book." There is no other title of more importance or given more reverential weight and to which Christian followers turn to more for guidance than the Bible. It's not the most published, most purchased, and most consumed single title in the entire history of the printed word because it's "just rip-roaring fiction" or you know, The Davinci Code on roids. P

Unfortunately, from my point-of-view, it's fiction that a slew of people purported as fact so loudly that people eventually began to believe it verbatim.



But that's just my stance on it. Believe what you want.

 

[Rdrhwke]

Think of the kind of power that book has and the incredible, mind boggling amount of abuse that it's been used to create over the hundreds of years it's been in existence. It's not even close. I don't see how that can be argued.

So accoring to your line of thinking, the bible was written as a "How To" guide for abuse by it's authors because of the abuse it caused. Fictional or not, I highly doubt that was their intent. As someone else said, it was written as a guide for Christians. The fact that individuals manipulated it or interpreted it for their own purposes or to justify their actions doesn't mean it was written as a "How To" guide for criminal behavior..



The book discussed in this thread is an entirely different thing. The author wrote a "How To" guide for being a pedophile. The intent on his part is abundantly clear and the fact that the book has already been pulled speaks volumes for how people think about it. .

 

[the canadian dream]

So accoring to your line of thinking, the bible was written as a "How To" guide for abuse by it's authors because of the abuse it caused. Fictional or not, I highly doubt that was their intent. As someone else said, it was written as a guide for Christians. The fact that individuals manipulated it or interpreted it for their own purposes or to justify their actions doesn't mean it was written as a "How To" guide for criminal behavior..The book discussed in this thread is an entirely different thing. The author wrote a "How To" guide for being a pedophile. The intent on his part is abundantly clear and the fact that the book has already been pulled speaks volumes for how people think about it. .

No certainly not but it does lay out a "how to" guide to avoid sinful acts thus creating a definition of what acts are sinfull and what acts are not. It is not a guide on how to involve oneself in sinful behavior it just merely defines what sinful behavior is. What's worse?



Lets try and keep the term "criminal behavior" out of discussions on the bible. That's a government term. Some sins of course should be looked at as wrong doings such as child molestation and abduction. Some however are just down right rediculas. For example the easy go to *** marriage and man laying with man.



anyways these type of threads always end up being about religion and the bible. It's the easy go to source. I too don't think the comparisons should be brought up at all. But just goes to show how much influence religion and religious writtings have on our societies and cultures. Very powerful stuff inwhich no one is immune..even if they think they are its all around. You eat it and breath it without even knowing it sometimes.

 

[Rdrhwke]

No certainly not but it does lay out a "how to" guide to avoid sinful acts thus creating a definition of what acts are sinfull and what acts are not. It is not a guide on how to involve oneself in sinful behavior it just merely defines what sinful behavior is. What's worse?



Lets try and keep the term "criminal behavior" out of discussions on the bible. That's a government term. Some sins of course should be looked at as wrong doings such as child molestation and abduction. Some however are just down right rediculas. For example the easy go to *** marriage and man laying with man.



anyways these type of threads always end up being about religion and the bible. It's the easy go to source. I too don't think the comparisons should be brought up at all. But just goes to show how much influence religion and religious writtings have on our societies and cultures. Very powerful stuff inwhich no one is immune..even if they think they are its all around. You eat it and breath it without even knowing it sometimes.

I don't know about which is worse but again, it's how it's taken by the individual.



I made the criminal behavior comment mainly because someone referred to all the murders, rapes, abusive acts, etc that the bible supposedly condoned.



And I agree. It seems every time a thread like this comes up someone drags the bible into it for whatever reason. Sort of like taking it from one extreme to the other.

 

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So accoring to your line of thinking, the bible was written as a "How To" guide for abuse by it's authors because of the abuse it caused. Fictional or not, I highly doubt that was their intent. As someone else said, it was written as a guide for Christians. The fact that individuals manipulated it or interpreted it for their own purposes or to justify their actions doesn't mean it was written as a "How To" guide for criminal behavior..



The book discussed in this thread is an entirely different thing. The author wrote a "How To" guide for being a pedophile. The intent on his part is abundantly clear and the fact that the book has already been pulled speaks volumes for how people think about it. .

This is going in the wrong direction than I intended. You have to realize the inherent danger of saying things like "**** free speech". Have we learned nothing? Things like this have the potential to set examples, to set precedents that are flat out wrong and that are not solving the problem only digging a deeper hole for everyone. Do you not see the potential consequences of something like this on other maybe completely unrelated topics?



We have to be smarter than this and not go with knee jerk emotional reactions all the time.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

I don't know about which is worse but again, it's how it's taken by the individual.



I made the criminal behavior comment mainly because someone referred to all the murders, rapes, abusive acts, etc that the bible supposedly condoned.



And I agree. It seems every time a thread like this comes up someone drags the bible into it for whatever reason. Sort of like taking it from one extreme to the other.

It is a fall back argument point for when one really has no other points (or strong points) to use. Religion and/or the Bible/Koran/Torah/The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster /etc. is also a great way to derail or deflect most discussions for those that cannot debate otherwise. Not knocking anyone in particular, but in non-religious discussions I always find it interesting how quickly the debate goes in that direction.

 

[TSD]

So now the bible is a "How To" guide on the same level as a book on pedophila.



Amazing..

Really? Isn't the bible a how to guide on how you are supposed to live your life or am i missing something?

It is a fall back argument point for when one really has no other points (or strong points) to use. Religion and/or the Bible/Koran/Torah/The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster /etc. is also a great way to derail or deflect most discussions for those that cannot debate otherwise. Not knocking anyone in particular, but in non-religious discussions I always find it interesting how quickly the debate goes in that direction.

The bible contains much that by modern standards, is utterly disgusting and immoral.



This pedophilia book is also a book that by modern standards contains disgusting and immoral content.



the point is why is one ok to sell while the other isnt?



I see it as a perfectly valid argument to make. Both have the intent of the reader to follow and live by its contents.

 

[Rdrhwke]

It is a fall back argument point for when one really has no other points (or strong points) to use. Religion and/or the Bible/Koran/Torah/The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster /etc. is also a great way to derail or deflect most discussions for those that cannot debate otherwise. Not knocking anyone in particular, but in non-religious discussions I always find it interesting how quickly the debate goes in that direction.

You hit the nail on the head.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Really? Isn't the bible a how to guide on how you are supposed to live your life or am i missing something?







The bible contains much that by modern standards, is utterly disgusting and immoral.



This pedophilia book is also a book that by modern standards contains disgusting and immoral content.



the point is why is one ok to sell while the other isnt?



I see it as a perfectly valid argument to make. Both have the intent of the reader to follow and live by its contents.

As I have pointed out before in this thread, the intent of the writing is the difference. Keep in mind that interpretation may not match the intent...and one desperately trying to win a debate will tend to want to or will bend the interpretation in their direction. Usually in a slippery slope.



With that said, considering how many times the bible has been rewritten (reinterpreted), perhaps some of the modern speakers of it should push their versions that are more modern, relevant to the time, and perhaps softer.... The thing with the bible is that the interpretations drive more of the disgusting and immoralness than what the intent most likely is supposed to be...just like any religious writing. And that is really I care to say on it because any other debate is going to be based on interpretation of the multitudes of rewritings or interpretations of any part of the bible. For reinforcement of my point, Swastika.





However my comment you quoted was more of a general statement as to why religion tends to find itself in debate quickly....which was following a discussion wondering the same.

 

[Rdrhwke]

Really? Isn't the bible a how to guide on how you are supposed to live your life or am i missing something?







The bible contains much that by modern standards, is utterly disgusting and immoral.



This pedophilia book is also a book that by modern standards contains disgusting and immoral content.



the point is why is one ok to sell while the other isnt?



I see it as a perfectly valid argument to make. Both have the intent of the reader to follow and live by its contents.

And when was the bible written??? In modern times or hundreds of years ago? So just maybe there were many things that were acceptable then but are not now? So maybe the pope or somebody should rewrite the thing to meet modern day standards?



And last I checked, the bible was not a guide on how to live the life of a pedophile. I believe it was more about living the life of a christian.



The book that is being discussed is soley devoted to living the life of a pedophile and nothing else.



Big difference just as there is a big differnce in the interntions of the writers of both.

 

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You are opening too many doors by saying screw free speech let's get rid of this. You might not like it, its disgusting, whatever, that's not he point. You have to look beyond this particular example and realize for the future that pushing aside freedoms for the sake of feeling more comfortable is only going to hurt us.

 

[Rdrhwke]

You are opening too many doors by saying screw free speech let's get rid of this. You might not like it, its disgusting, whatever, that's not he point. You have to look beyond this particular example and realize for the future that pushing aside freedoms for the sake of feeling more comfortable is only going to hurt us.

Sorry you don't find it disgusting but that is exactly the point in this case.......



And did it ever occur to you that maybe just as much of a problem is that people like this pedophile hide beyond the almighty freedom of speech to spew garbage such as this?



How many countless others do exactly the same thing? Neo Nazis? Aryan Nation? NAMBLA? KKK? NSM? But I suppose we should all just defend their actions as well so long as we're nice and comfy and we all have our freedom to do whatever we want, right???



Whatever..

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

And when was the bible written??? In modern times or hundreds of years ago? So just maybe there were many things that were acceptable then but are not now? So maybe the pope or somebody should rewrite the thing to meet modern day standards?

I thought that was called Vatican II.

And last I checked, the bible was not a guide on how to live the life of a pedophile. I believe it was more about living the life of a christian.

Kinda true. The first half is very Jewish.

I would say Judeo-Christian.