Ashton Jeanty

[bearsfan1977]

I think the last team to win the SB with a 1,000 yard rusher was the Patriots in 2016. Not saying a good running game isnt important. But you may not need that top tier one is all.

Barkley is a pretty big reason for the Eagles success (for sure not the only one).

The Falcs wouldn’t be anywhere near playoff consideration without Bijan.

It’s like any other position. The elite players make more of a difference than the very good ones. A back who can net a team around 1800 scrimmage yards and 15 TDs has a huge impact on offensive performances, and depending on other circumstances, the outcomes of games throughout the season.

 

[TL1961]

So you think drafting Walter Payton in the first round was a mistake?

You are using an example from when the NFL was a completely different game.

And I think you’re making the exact argument you’re trying to refute. Walter Payton is arguably the best running back of all time and yet the Bears teams he was on struggled for years.

Do you realize that at one time in Walter Payton‘s career he was the all-time rushing leader in NFL history and had not won a single playoff game?

No running back drafted in this coming draft is going to have the talent of a Walter Payton and they’re going to come into a league that’s much more dependent on passing and less dependent on the running back position.

Do you think they’ll have a bigger impact than Walter did?

 

[TL1961]

What if Jeanty is closer to Payton and Banks is closer to Nate Davis?

There’s no need to continue this discussion.

 

[bearsfan1977]

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All flash and hype.

 

[TL1961]

PSU’s D had 1 guy to stop. Jeanty is Boise St’s offense. There is no one else a good D needs to concern themselves with. They keyed in on him all game and they did a good job containing him for the most part.

But he’s worth a top 10 pick and yet NFL defenses won’t key on him. Got it.

 

[bearsfan1977]

But he’s worth a top 10 pack and yet NFL defenses won’t key on him. Got it.

He won’t be on a team where he is the only guy on the roster who deserves to play on Sundays. Ds key in on Bijan, but there is Drake London and Pitts to deal with. Ds certainly key in on Barkley. He is 100 yds shy of breaking the single-season rushing record. It’s not like Jeanty is playing for UGA, LSU, etc where other people on offense have to be accounted for.

But like I said, I have other prospects I hope they take over him. Carter, Graham, Nolen, and Simmons to name a few. All I’m saying is I would understand the logic of him being the pick.

 

[bearsfan1977]

There’s no need to continue this discussion.

I wasn’t saying he would be anywhere close to Payton. It was a facetious response to a post about not drafting a position in the first because a player at that position drafted years back was a bust.

 

[discplayer]

You only do something like this if your O/D line targets are not there in the first round.

Even if your O or D lineman targets are gone, they cannot draft Jeanty (and I love that kid!). No, you trade back so your actual pick (OL/DL) is not a reach, while also picking up a 2nd or 3rd, which will help build said sad line.

 

[remydat]

Why would you get "cute" when you have Walter Payton?

By his logic Walter Payton was a dumb pick. Stupid to pick a RB 4th from a school like Jackson State given the low level of competitiom Payton played against.

Same goes for Jerry Rice who played against weak ass competition at Missippippi Valley State.

Having said that I would not draft a RB that high period. Later in the first then maybe.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Barkley is a pretty big reason for the Eagles success (for sure not the only one).

The Falcs wouldn’t be anywhere near playoff consideration without Bijan.

It’s like any other position. The elite players make more of a difference than the very good ones. A back who can net a team around 1800 scrimmage yards and 15 TDs has a huge impact on offensive performances, and depending on other circumstances, the outcomes of games throughout the season.

Obviously. But just as obviously there are other more important positions.

 

[bearsfan1977]

Obviously. But just as obviously there are other more important positions.

Agreed. But I think if it’s a prospect like him vs a good G prospect, it’s not crazy to favor Jeanty. Not so much if guys like Carter, Graham or Nolen are still on the board.

 

[Butkus34]

Depending on FA and how the draft shapes up in the first two rounds, if Hampton or similar RB is there in the 3rd go for it. Doubtful, but never know. Not that high on Scattebo or however you spell that

 

[msadows]

Depending on FA and how the draft shapes up in the first two rounds, if Hampton or similar RB is there in the 3rd go for it. Doubtful, but never know. Not that high on Scattebo or however you spell that

Scootybooty

 

[iueyedoc]

Unless Jeanty lasts until the2nd round pick, which he wont, the Bears would have to use a top 10 pick on him, which they won't.
Useless thread.

 

[iueyedoc]

By his logic Walter Payton was a dumb pick. Stupid to pick a RB 4th from a school like Jackson State given the low level of competitiom Payton played against.

Same goes for Jerry Rice who played against weak ass competition at Missippippi Valley State.

Having said that I would not draft a RB that high period. Later in the first then maybe.

For all his greatness the Bears were still 61-70 through the first 9 years of his career and this was during the RB Golden age where they won 12 Heismans in a row and were the first OA pick more often than any other position.

Just a stupid comparison

It would be like arguing a post up center should be drafted over a 2 guard because Wilt Chamberlain was great in the late 50's

 

[remydat]

For all his greatness the Bears were still 61-70 through the first 9 years of his career and this was during the RB Golden age where they won 12 Heismans in a row and were the first OA pick more often than any other position.

Just a stupid comparison

It would be like arguing a post up center should be drafted over a 2 guard because Wilt Chamberlain was great in the late 50's

The point was not about drafting him as I said I would not draft him in the first.

The point was level of competition is a stupid argument. There are always top draft picks that come from schools that face lesser competition.

Travis Hunter hasnt faced considerably better competition that Jeanty and he will still be a top 5 pick. Jeanty struggled against OSU not simply because he couldnt handle a step up in competition but rather because his OL couldnt handle the step up in competition as not like he missed a ton of holes out there. Not sure he has a single OL expected to be a top pick where as OSU has several players in that front 7 expected to be drafted.

So the argument against Jeanty has very little to do with level of competition and more to do with the positional value of RB.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Still scratching my head how someone could want a running back before addressing this offensive line. Like, what holes are the running back going to run through? Oh, you want him to make his own holes and slam into people? So then you want us to spend a high pick on a guy who likely will only last 5 years tops at peak performance because our offensive line is shit and he has to make his own holes...

Seriously, do people even fucking think?

 

[bearsfan1977]

Still scratching my head how someone could want a running back before addressing this offensive line. Like, what holes are the running back going to run through? Oh, you want him to make his own holes and slam into people? So then you want us to spend a high pick on a guy who likely will only last 5 years tops at peak performance because our offensive line is shit and he has to make his own holes...

Seriously, do people even fucking think?

Why are you so sure they will take OL on the 1st? You do realize that outside of Simmons, a lot of people think there really isn’t a pure LT prospect worth a 1st.

Put Jeanty aside, if Abdul Carter is on the board, would you rather they take a T who will play G? How about Walter Nolen?

It’s not likely that OL will be BPA when they pick.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Why are you so sure they will take OL on the 1st? You do realize that outside of Simmons, a lot of people think there really isn’t a pure LT prospect worth a 1st.

Put Jeanty aside, if Abdul Carter is on the board, would you rather they take a T who will play G? How about Walter Nolen?

It’s not likely that OL will be BPA when they pick.

The Bears need more than just a LT. They need a whole brand new interior and depth. They need to replace 4 out of 5 spots on the line.

There are also very few pure RGs in the draft - most of the higher prospects are projected at LG. And there are a TON of quality LG talents in this draft.

So yeah, rather than waste a pick on a RB, I'd rather trade down, draft a pure RG in round 1, and then that should give us 3 second round picks overall, which we can use on the best LG, D Lineman, and Center, in any order.

You can get a RB who can get the job done with a later round pick as long as you have a line that can open holes.

 

[bearsfan1977]

The Bears need more than just a LT. They need a whole brand new interior and depth. They need to replace 4 out of 5 spots on the line.

There are also very few pure RGs in the draft - most of the higher prospects are projected at LG. And there are a TON of quality LG talents in this draft.

So yeah, rather than waste a pick on a RB, I'd rather trade down, draft a pure RG in round 1, and then that should give us 3 second round picks overall, which we can use on the best LG, D Lineman, and Center, in any order.

You can get a RB who can get the job done with a later round pick as long as you have a line that can open holes.

It takes 2 to trade, and this may not be a good draft for that.

Mekhi Becton has done a fantastic job at RG, and Philly may not be able to afford him. A C like Jake Majors can be had in the 3rd.

A guy like Ersery or Milum could slide in nicely at LG, and they may be had in the 2nd.