Ashton Jeanty

[MDB111™]

Do you think? I presume those that want a RB presume Bears can address the OL in FA. If you sign a legit new LT, G and C then the need for an OL in the 1st is reduced.

LT - Alaric Jackson and Jones
LG - Rookie 2nd rounder
C - Dalman, Shelton
RG - Will Hernandez, Bates, Pryor
RT - Wright and Kiran

I see nothing wrong with the above as Bears kept 10 OL. So there is no requirement to draft an OL in the first.

Of course I think DL is a better option than RB but Bears have FA and the whole draft to address OL.

I don't care if they don't draft Jeanty in the first. I just want the first rounder who plays like a first rounder. I don't want Darnell Wright or Gabe Carimi types. If you think a lineman is all world, by all means, go get him. But don't reach with the pick because Mighty Jerk Dong says so on CCS.

Give me Mason Graham with that pick all day. But don't give me the project tackle.

 

[Bearcub13]

I don't care if they don't draft Jeanty in the first. I just want the first rounder who plays like a first rounder. I don't want Darnell Wright or Gabe Carimi types. If you think a lineman is all world, by all means, go get him. But don't reach with the pick because Mighty Jerk Dong says so on CCS.

Give me Mason Graham with that pick all day. But don't give me the project tackle.

I think my druthers in regards to drafting linemen is to draft a bunch of them, because even the best talent evaluators can not be sure how any of them will do in the pros. Depending on the draft pool of talent, I would not necessarily be afraid to trade back and get more bodies in the building. I know that sounds like the old let's throw shit against the wall and see what sticks style of talent evaluation. But, there is a certain amount of that on even the best teams. I think there are very good linemen in rounds 2 thru 4 every year. After the fourth round, the odds of hitting paydirt drop substantially. We really need to find a real center somewhere in the process. If you look at really good offenses, they usually have really good centers. It is not jast about blocking, it is about running the offensive line, calling out assignments on the fly, and earning the respect of the line.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

I have been on Skattebo's band wagon all season, but he is probably no better than a late second rounder, at best. His running style will not hold up with a lot of carries in the pros, but he can be a gadget back and special teamer for sure.

Of course I'm not touting him as a first round pick. To be a first round pick you have to be elite. Saquon AP level stuff.

I could see Skattebo having a Marshawn Lynch style of career. Will he be as good? I have no idea but I wouldn't count him out.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

I think my druthers in regards to drafting linemen is to draft a bunch of them, because even the best talent evaluators can not be sure how any of them will do in the pros.

I think my druthers in regards to drafting linemen is to draft a bunch of them, because even the best talent evaluators can not be sure how any of them will do in the pros. Depending on the draft pool of talent, I would not necessarily be afraid to trade back and get more bodies in the building. I know that sounds like the old let's throw shit against the wall and see what sticks style of talent evaluation. But, there is a certain amount of that on even the best teams. I think there are very good linemen in rounds 2 thru 4 every year. After the fourth round, the odds of hitting paydirt drop substantially. We really need to find a real center somewhere in the process. If you look at really good offenses, they usually have really good centers. It is not jast about blocking, it is about running the offensive line, calling out assignments on the fly, and earning the respect of the line.

The Bears tend to draft idiotically when it comes to OLs. If I am spending a top 10 pick on an OL, it simply has to be an LT. Even when they drafted Kyle Long, that was kind of dumb because they spent a 1st round pick on a RG. The Bears draft pre-injured guys from run-heavy college programs and then have them switch positions in the NFL (Carimi hit all these criteria amazingly). The only 'position switch" I want to see is drafting college OTs and moving them to OGs, otherwise its a disaster. And, as you said, moving a guy to Center isn't something wise.

So, in sum, don't waste 1st round picks on OLs unless they can play LT, don't switch up positions, don't draft injured players.

 

[realbsball]

Ok, before people lose their minds, bear with me.

I recognize the importance of solidifying the lines and know their current status. I was hoping they’d draft Fashanu last year, even over Rome, and I think Rome will be a good WR.

If Abdul Carter or Mason Graham are on the board, run the pick in.

I am not high on either Campbell or Banks. I think both kick inside to G and I don’t think there is that big of a drop-off between them and guys like Milum or Ersery who may be had in the 2nd.

The Bears have not had a special RB since Payton. Forte, imo, was very good. He was not transcendent. Jeanty is freakin awesome and can be a cornerstone of an offense.

Fixing the OL won’t be done in 1 offseason. If Trey Smith isn’t available, a guy like Mekhi Becton at RG next to Wright would be nasty. Draft your LG in the 2nd.

Swift is a third down back and Roschon is a backup. Jeanty would help Caleb and can settle down an offense. The threat he will pose will open up the passing game.

For me, if Carter and Graham are gone, I could see Poles taking one of Banks or Campbell even if they kick inside due to all of the noise re: the OL. And I guess that’s fine, even though I think both would be a reach. But I would understand if Jeanty is the pick. If he really does turn out to be one of the better RBs of the last decade, it would have a big impact on the offense.

Ok. Flame away on why you think that would be the worst pick of all time.

Oh, btw, I hope everyone had a happy holiday and stayed safe.

They have enough “shiny objects..” all emphasis should be on linemen, both sides

 

[iueyedoc]

I think its old timers who just have a willy for the Walter Payton days, where he made his own holes, knocked people over etc.

People don't realize Walter was 1 of 1, and even he didn't win anything until they beefed up the offensive line.

What's with your repetitive use of your new catch phrase one of one? Have you moved on from run pro?

You know who is one of one? You

 

[iueyedoc]

Of course I'm not touting him as a first round pick. To be a first round pick you have to be elite. Saquon AP level stuff.

I could see Skattebo having a Marshawn Lynch style of career. Will he be as good? I have no idea but I wouldn't count him out.

LOTFOL! Marshwn Lynch? A top 30 RB of all time? You're a fucking moron.

 

[TL1961]

The Bears tend to draft idiotically when it comes to OLs. If I am spending a top 10 pick on an OL, it simply has to be an LT. Even when they drafted Kyle Long, that was kind of dumb because they spent a 1st round pick on a RG. The Bears draft pre-injured guys from run-heavy college programs and then have them switch positions in the NFL (Carimi hit all these criteria amazingly). The only 'position switch" I want to see is drafting college OTs and moving them to OGs, otherwise its a disaster. And, as you said, moving a guy to Center isn't something wise.

So, in sum, don't waste 1st round picks on OLs unless they can play LT, don't switch up positions, don't draft injured players.

The people who drafted Carimi aren't here.

Kyle Long as a RG late in the 1st was dumb?

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I don't care if they don't draft Jeanty in the first. I just want the first rounder who plays like a first rounder. I don't want Darnell Wright or Gabe Carimi types. If you think a lineman is all world, by all means, go get him. But don't reach with the pick because Mighty Jerk Dong says so on CCS.

Give me Mason Graham with that pick all day. But don't give me the project tackle.

What does this even mean?

 

[Canth]

Like totally dude!

I'd much rather the Bears reach on another Darnell Wright in the first. Screw going BPA baby! Man, I'm glad you're here to show everyone who knows it all!

The thing is, I think that Poles really did have Wright as his BPA.

I think that Poles has been pretty consistent in sticking to his BPA. The issue is the evaluations that build that BPA list.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Kyle Long as a RG late in the 1st was dumb?

Yes because he was only good for three years and he a fucking guard which is only slightly more important than a fullback.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Yes because he was only good for three years and he a fucking guard which is only slightly more important than a fullback.

FFS

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

The people who drafted Carimi aren't here.

Kyle Long as a RG late in the 1st was dumb?

Maybe not "dumb", but I wouldn't have used a 1st round pick on a RG. He was a good player, but IIRC they would try to move him to LT to get "value" out of the pick, and that never worked out. Also, he was like 36 years old as a rookie.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

FFS

Could have had DeAndre Hopkins but yeah a guard is more important than a game breaking WR.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Also could have had Geno Smith, which would have prevented the Bears from getting Shane Waldron later.

 

[MDB111™]

What does this even mean?

I, as in me and myself. Do not want, and fully oppose the Chicago Bears using their 1st round pick on a reach like Darnell or a injury prone pick like Carimi was. Did Carimi throw you off? I thought it was pretty clear. My bad.

And if all the other parts aren't clear, that's also my bad. Jeanty and Graham are players I'd want. And Hunter and Banks would be perfect too but I don't think they fall to the Bears.

2nd round and down? Give me all the lineman. Because I fully understand yhe Bears need both lines. And drafting Jeanty may seem bone headed but not if you're just gonna reach on a project tackle. And there seems to be nothing but project lineman in the first. So no thanks.

 

[MDB111™]

The thing is, I think that Poles really did have Wright as his BPA.

I think that Poles has been pretty consistent in sticking to his BPA. The issue is the evaluations that build that BPA list.

Hope you're wrong on that but you probably aren't. I'm not high on Poles either. If he gets the axe, I'm not losing any sleep.

I'd like to believe the Paris Johnson was his best lineman. And FWIW, Poles did go O line and D line back to back that year with Wright and then Gervon Dexter. It just hasn't played out for him the way he thought it would.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I, as in me and myself. Do not want, and fully oppose the Chicago Bears using their 1st round pick on a reach like Darnell or a injury prone pick like Carimi was. Did Carimi throw you off? I thought it was pretty clear. My bad.

And if all the other parts aren't clear, that's also my bad. Jeanty and Graham are players I'd want. And Hunter and Banks would be perfect too but I don't think they fall to the Bears.

2nd round and down? Give me all the lineman. Because I fully understand yhe Bears need both lines. And drafting Jeanty may seem bone headed but not if you're just gonna reach on a project tackle. And there seems to be nothing but project lineman in the first. So no thanks.

How was Darnell a reach? Almost everyone had him round one.

I am not gonna comment on this years OL because I haven’t watched them.

Drafting a RB….. especially after watching this team this year….. well that’s certainly a choice.

Was Carimi pre injured? Or get injured in the pros? I honestly don’t remember

 

[MDB111™]

How was Darnell a reach? Almost everyone had him round one.

I am not gonna comment on this years OL because I haven’t watched them.

Drafting a RB….. especially after watching this team this year….. well that’s certainly a choice.

Was Carimi pre injured? Or get injured in the pros? I honestly don’t remember

I can't speak on "almost everyone" From what I remember he was a top 50 pick. I remember wanting a half dozen players over him. I liked Skoronski, Jones(seems like he sucks), Jalen Carter, Van Ness, and I loved Bijan and joked many times about drafting him. Scouts had Mitch Trubisky high up though so what the heck do they know?

Drafting a RB on the surface with the 1st is def. a choice. But I wouldn't be mad if it were Jeanty. I'd also take the CB or Graham or any of those Edges. I won't cry if Jeanty isn't the pick. I'm only saying I can understand it if they think he could be GENERATIONAL!!!!! Swift is not the answer as the bell cow and a committee isn't going to cut it.

Carimi got injured his second game of his career and never recovered. I have zero clue about his college injury history.

 

[TL1961]

Yes because he was only good for three years and he a fucking guard which is only slightly more important than a fullback.

You just stated you want the bears to use their first three picks on linemen. Assuming one is a tackle that means the other two are interior linemen. If they’re about as useful as a fullback, why do you want to use high picks on them?

Pick a lane.