Ask not what your country can do for you, but what can you do for the Bears

[botfly10]

He's close to right here though bot.

Immune to lawsuits​

In February, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar invoked the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act. The 2005 law empowers the HHS secretary to provide legal protection to companies making or distributing critical medical supplies, such as vaccines and treatments, unless there’s “willful misconduct” by the company. The protection lasts until 2024.

That means that for the next four years, these companies “cannot be sued for money damages in court” over injuries related to the administration or use of products to treat or protect against Covid.

You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won't compensate you for damages either

Companies like Pfizer and Moderna have total immunity from legal liability under the PREP Act if something unintentionally goes wrong with their Covid vaccines.

www.cnbc.com

the drug companies didn't write a law. It is a power granted the HHS sec. It's only four years, and it doesn't cover them from negligence or falsification. the only thing it protects them from is the accelerated FDA process (which still performed all the standard trials)

it is not blanket immunity. If they fudged anything, they are fucked. If there are long term health consequences, they are fucked.

 

[mecha]

lol. what side effects? I saw some hillrod cunt in a video sticking a magnet to her arm. like derp the vaccine spreads throughout your body, you don't have a fucking microchip from a vile of liquid channeled in the spot where you got the shot.

fuck these people

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

the drug companies didn't write a law. It is a power granted the HHS sec. It's only four years, and it doesn't cover them from negligence or falsification. the only thing it protects them from is the accelerated FDA process (which still performed all the standard trials)

it is not blanket immunity. If they fudged anything, they are fucked. If there are long term health consequences, they are fucked.

That's why I said he was close to being right.

 

[botfly10]

That's why I said he was close to being right.

it's irrelevant anyway

hundreds of millions of people have received the vaccine. the data is in.

literally more people die from birth control

 

[Nuremberg Bear]

I got Covid at work and infected my wife and 3 year old son. My son and I are fine but nobody knows the long term affect.

My wife instead can't smell and taste since months. A good friend of mine has same issue since February last year.

23 year old colleague was on hospital.

Covid sucks. Vaccine not.
I wish I would life in the states, so I can go to get some of the good stuff. ?

 

[Bearly]

It's scary the amount of fear and disinformation going on about the vaccine.

The same people complaining about the lockdown, not wanting to wear a mask, and equating Covid to the flu are also not getting vaccinated.

The aggravating thing is that those of us who adhere to a scientific worldview and have a social conscience will get the vaccine, probably create enough mass for herd immunity, and help the human race rise out of this dystopia, yet those covid deniers who are putting people's lives at risks over not wanting to wear a mask will then have their insane theories validated.

Today, a family member of mine who lives out in Colorado said that the Covid vaccine is a way for HIV to be transmitted to the whole world so that it forces the pharmaceutical companies to develop a cure. I shit you not. As evidence, the failed Australian test that caused some false HIV positives was advanced.

It's scary how little these people know, yet they prance around like Flat Earthers and Sovereign Citizens thinking they know. These are the people who, as billions around the world, like India, are dying and suffering, are pushing their exceptionalism to say that their personal freedom's more important than social responsibility.

Just think how many fewer deaths there'd be if people treated the epidemic as, you know, an epidemic and the vaccination as, well, a vaccination that will keep you safe from the epidemic that's killed millions.

Personal freedom? Held captive by their idiocy.

 

[jerkstore]

All I know is Moderna made my dick curl up like the Wicked Witch of the East’s shoes. But all told, a solid option.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

There is zero evidence of long term issues and there are no associated processes that would indicate anything of the sort. There is plenty of evidence of long term issue associated with covid, even for those with seemingly minor symptoms. There is no proof that Trump isn't the antichrist so it must be so. In fact, if he ran again and won it would be a symbolic rising from the dead and prove the point. WTF?

This is what I mean about people being incredibly stupid.

"There is zero evidence of long term issues"

How the fuck would you even know when the timeline for the disease itself wouldn't even fit the classification of long term?

Do you understand that long term means 5, 10, 15 years down the road and the disease has only been here 2 years, and the vaccine one?

And you look at me like I'm the crazy one for wanting it to pass FDA clinical trials first?

This is what I mean. I am ACTUALLY following real science. And I know a real life virologist who keeps me grounded in that.

YOU are the irrational one here.

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

I got the vaccine! But now when I am getting tired, or lethargic I have the urge to pull my pants down and pull them back up again.. seems to work though!

 

[Bearly]

This is what I mean about people being incredibly stupid.

"There is zero evidence of long term issues"

How the fuck would you even know when the timeline for the disease itself wouldn't even fit the classification of long term?

Do you understand that long term means 5, 10, 15 years down the road and the disease has only been here 2 years, and the vaccine one?

And you look at me like I'm the crazy one for wanting it to pass FDA clinical trials first?

This is what I mean. I am ACTUALLY following real science. And I know a real life virologist who keeps me grounded in that.

YOU are the irrational one here.

OMG, are you really going to persist? There is no reason to project long term consequences of the vaccine. Of course you can't prove there isn't, LOL. I can't 'prove' you won't turn into a horse. You probably took the opposite stance on climate change at one time. In that case, some on the right said evidence isn't proof and now, no evidence becomes a form of concern. Real science uses empirical evidence. There is none that even suggests any unusual long term concerns from the mRNA vaccines. In fact, the evidence shows that they are even safer than traditional forms. Good thing people didn't treat a much less safe small pox vaccine in the way you're treating this one.

FDA actively monitored the trials. More is always welcome but redundant. Expediting had more to do with age group restrictions which are still in effect while more testing is done. There have been about 1 billion mRNA vaccines administered. That's a huge cross section of real world data to draw conclusions from.

More FDA testing would not support you and your imaginary long term consequence supposition which has nothing to do with scientific method nor fit the testing timetable. It's just a load of bullshit.

 

[Bearly]

I got the vaccine! But now when I am getting tired, or lethargic I have the urge to pull my pants down and pull them back up again.. seems to work though!

Are you facing away from a computer?

 

[Discus fish salesman]

The mrna vaccines are actually an exciting medical breakthrough that will likely lead to new treatment modalities for cancer and many other disease states. Biontech who partnered with pfizer has a bunch of therapies in the pipeline. I wish I'd invested when I started following them like 2 months ago. Their stock went from $92ish/share to about $190/share now

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

OMG, are you really going to persist? There is no reason to project long term consequences of the vaccine. Of course you can't prove there isn't, LOL. I can't 'prove' you won't turn into a horse. You probably took the opposite stance on climate change at one time. In that case, some on the right said evidence isn't proof and now, no evidence becomes a form of concern. Real science uses empirical evidence. There is none that even suggests any unusual long term concerns from the rDNA vaccines. In fact, the evidence shows that they are even safer than traditional forms. Good thing people didn't treat a much less safe small pox vaccine in the way you're treating this one.

FDA actively monitored the trials. More is always welcome but redundant. Expediting had more to do with age group restrictions which are still in effect while more testing is done. There have been about 1 billion mRNA vaccines administered. That's a huge cross section of real world data to draw conclusions from.

More FDA testing would not support you and your imaginary long term consequence supposition which has nothing to do with scientific method nor fit the testing timetable. It's just a load of bullshit.

How do you know the long term effects of a vaccine that's only been out a year?

You keep saying imaginary, but there ARE long term effects to even some of the approved medicines doctors can prescribe, and because they acknowledge that and know that, they can monitor those patients for any potential issues.

So given that, other than you just having blind faith, answer my question at the top, Nostradamus.

Because there is nothing insane about wanting to wait for it to pass full FDA clinical trials, and you are frankly acting in an irrational manner.

 

[Bearly]

LOL. Never said waiting for the FDA was insane but it's now been proven unwarranted with all the data available at this point. Your idea of waiting 20 years (there is no other way) to determine long term effects, that there is zero evidence of, is irrational.

You can neither stay on task nor directly address my content. You're being ridiculous and either choosing to be or simply unaware of scientific process. I was going to use ignorant instead of unaware but I suspect you'd take that the wrong way as opposed to the actual meaning.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

How do you know the long term effects of a vaccine that's only been out a year?

You keep saying imaginary, but there ARE long term effects to even some of the approved medicines doctors can prescribe, and because they acknowledge that and know that, they can monitor those patients for any potential issues.

So given that, other than you just having blind faith, answer my question at the top, Nostradamus.

Because there is nothing insane about wanting to wait for it to pass full FDA clinical trials, and you are frankly acting in an irrational manner.

There is no certainty that there won't be long term effects, but these mrna treatments have been being studied for a long time so they have data. While the covid specific is new, the technology itself is not. Based off data and mechanism of action there is no reason to expect long term effects, but that is not a guarantee there won't be. Drugs that have long term effects like prilosec and other PPI's causing osteoporosis and things like that are often not a surprise due to how the medication works.

 

[NCChiFan]

Chicago Bears are urging people to get the vaccine. Take it from Cody Whitehair himself. Let's all do our part so we can cram together at Soldier Field this fall and be drunken meatballs while we usher in our franchise QB together. Get your vaccine today! If you are scared to get it, just remember that the Bears are counting on you.

Bears participating in "Join the Team" campaign with Chicago sports teams to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations

www.chicagobears.com

Find COVID‑19 vaccine locations near you

Vaccines.gov helps you find clinics, pharmacies, and other locations that offer COVID‑19 vaccines in the United States.

www.vaccines.gov

That's so March.

 

[Bearly]

That's so March.

Bears!

 

[Bearly]

Now if I can only convince my extremely lib wife that we're really safe and go out to eat... I think she'll be there in a week or so. She actually shops some now, LOL.

The science told me that we were safe a few weeks after our shots so I was good to go. That was well over a month ago and before the CDC said it's much safer. I'm not an alarmist on either end of this issue. I suspect the CDC was slow in their mask and eating out recommendation simply because you can't trust people to follow the science or do the right thing and every forum tells me that they aren't wrong.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

There is no certainty that there won't be long term effects, but these mrna treatments have been being studied for a long time so they have data. While the covid specific is new, the technology itself is not. Based off data and mechanism of action there is no reason to expect long term effects, but that is not a guarantee there won't be. Drugs that have long term effects like prilosec and other PPI's causing osteoporosis and things like that are often not a surprise due to how the medication works.

True, but while the methodology is the same, because the viruses are different it's false equivalence to assume that because it works for one virus without complications, that all will have no complications. That's not something from me, but from what my virologist friend told me. It's a lot more complex than people think

 

[jerkstore]

@Hal9000

Did your virologist friend attend a Caribbean university by any chance?